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Bill Brock · May 5th, 2008, 08:47 AM

Hello,

Anyone out there have experience with the Iconix mini HD camera? A client of mine wants to use it to video their work in HD. But I'm trying to find anyone with real world experience. The real work area is quite tight so wanted to see what kind of mounting boom options and "on camera" lighting options there are. Thank you in advance!

Bill

Ben Lynn · May 7th, 2008, 11:36 AM

I don't use them on a regular basis, but I've seen them on a few shows.
What kind of cameras will you be matching the Iconix with? It's HD, but it uses a pixel shift. If you're cutting with broadcast grade ENG cameras like a Varicam it may look a little soft. If you're inter-cutting with XDCAM footage or prosumer gear it should match up fine. A higher grade image would come from an Ikegami HDL-20, but you'll pay for that with a much higher price tag.
I don't think there's any limit on the mounting options with the camera body. You can strap, bolt, clamp them to just about anything so mounting shouldn't be a worry.
I haven't seen any on-camera lighting used with them, but it would only help. Like every small camera, they really suffer if there's insufficient lighting. Whatever you can add would help. It may not be on-camera, but maybe additional side lighting. If you want it on-camera then you'll have to fabricate a custom mount that could hold both the camera and the light because I don't see any way to attach a light to the camera otherwise.

Bill Brock · May 8th, 2008, 10:19 AM

Actually the iconix will be the only camera. We just need something small, yet high quality to "fit" in there without obstructing the surgeon. Its looking like most simply attach the camera to the surgery light, so will probably not need any more light than that. I haven't been able to find anyone who has actually used the camera though. I called Iconix and they're supposed to give me a contact next week...guess they're busy this week! ha ha Thank you for your information.

Chris Hurd · May 8th, 2008, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben Lynn

It's HD, but it uses a pixel shift.

Most all HD cameras use pixel shift or some form of pixel offset technology. That's a non-issue around here.

Ben Lynn · May 8th, 2008, 02:37 PM

"That's a non-issue around here."

I beg to differ. I've seen those cameras matched with broadcast cameras at a number of events and there's a noticable difference. That's why it's important to find out what cameras it's being cut with. It may be a non-issue as long as the client knows that it doesn't match exactly with the other cameras. But I've done shows where it was an issue and that camera wasn't used because it couldn't match up exactly with the other cameras.

Need an example of how they mis-match? Watch this weeks Nascar race on Fox (or Speed or whoever carries it this week) from Darlington. They use some cameras mounted in the pavement, the "Gopher cam." Those cameras are Iconix cameras. Watch closely at how those cameras match with the other cameras in the show. Post again on Sunday after you've seen it and let me know.

If it's the only camera being used, then it will look great and no doubt the client will be happy with the HD quality. Overall I like those cameras. I think they're a great, low cost, HD pov solution.

Ben

Chris Hurd · May 8th, 2008, 02:56 PM

I have seen the Gopher cam, and I think it's a great example of how Content is King in this business. The angles those cameras provide are deemed interesting enough that the material goes directly to air. What greater validation do they need? What better endorsement is there than broadcast.

There can be a variety of reasons why cameras don't match, and once again, most all HD cameras use pixel shift or some form of pixel offset technology. I agree with your assessment that matching with XDCAM or below shouldn't be an issue.

May 5th, 2008, 08:47 AM	#1
Bill Brock Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 26	Medical Imaging with Iconix? Hello, Anyone out there have experience with the Iconix mini HD camera? A client of mine wants to use it to video their work in HD. But I'm trying to find anyone with real world experience. The real work area is quite tight so wanted to see what kind of mounting boom options and "on camera" lighting options there are. Thank you in advance! Bill

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May 7th, 2008, 11:36 AM	#2
Ben Lynn Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bloomington, IL Posts: 636	I don't use them on a regular basis, but I've seen them on a few shows. What kind of cameras will you be matching the Iconix with? It's HD, but it uses a pixel shift. If you're cutting with broadcast grade ENG cameras like a Varicam it may look a little soft. If you're inter-cutting with XDCAM footage or prosumer gear it should match up fine. A higher grade image would come from an Ikegami HDL-20, but you'll pay for that with a much higher price tag. I don't think there's any limit on the mounting options with the camera body. You can strap, bolt, clamp them to just about anything so mounting shouldn't be a worry. I haven't seen any on-camera lighting used with them, but it would only help. Like every small camera, they really suffer if there's insufficient lighting. Whatever you can add would help. It may not be on-camera, but maybe additional side lighting. If you want it on-camera then you'll have to fabricate a custom mount that could hold both the camera and the light because I don't see any way to attach a light to the camera otherwise.

May 8th, 2008, 10:19 AM	#3
Bill Brock Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 26	Actually the iconix will be the only camera. We just need something small, yet high quality to "fit" in there without obstructing the surgeon. Its looking like most simply attach the camera to the surgery light, so will probably not need any more light than that. I haven't been able to find anyone who has actually used the camera though. I called Iconix and they're supposed to give me a contact next week...guess they're busy this week! ha ha Thank you for your information.

May 8th, 2008, 02:37 PM	#5
Ben Lynn Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bloomington, IL Posts: 636	"That's a non-issue around here." I beg to differ. I've seen those cameras matched with broadcast cameras at a number of events and there's a noticable difference. That's why it's important to find out what cameras it's being cut with. It may be a non-issue as long as the client knows that it doesn't match exactly with the other cameras. But I've done shows where it was an issue and that camera wasn't used because it couldn't match up exactly with the other cameras. Need an example of how they mis-match? Watch this weeks Nascar race on Fox (or Speed or whoever carries it this week) from Darlington. They use some cameras mounted in the pavement, the "Gopher cam." Those cameras are Iconix cameras. Watch closely at how those cameras match with the other cameras in the show. Post again on Sunday after you've seen it and let me know. If it's the only camera being used, then it will look great and no doubt the client will be happy with the HD quality. Overall I like those cameras. I think they're a great, low cost, HD pov solution. Ben