Sanyo HD1 footage!

Luc-Henri Barthelemy · February 20th, 2006, 10:09 AM

Here is a link where you can see somebody putting the wide angle lenses on the front of cam (at the 3/4 of the clip). It seems like the additional lense is pushed more than screewed and that its frame surrounds the original lenses.

http://feeds.feedburner.com/PdafrancePodcastVideo?m=56

Luc-Henri

Dennis Hingsberg · February 20th, 2006, 11:42 AM

Okay so who wants to try the HD1 with a DYI 35mm adapter of some sort?

That's something I'd really like to see... the extra softening by the ground glass should ease the compression even more producing perhaps less artifacts! After down rezzing to SD or DVD the results might very well be quite amazing... we need to test this.

Joseph - I love your last set of tests, these images are comparable to the ones on the Japanese site I posted earlier.

(Now if I can just get my bloody directshow in AVIsynth working properly to play these MP4 files in Windows Media player or Virtual dub, I can try various tests and methods burning to DVD)

Wayne Morellini · February 20th, 2006, 12:29 PM

Look form the HD adaptor threads in alternative imaging first, that should ease the learning curve.

Could I suggest? Posting some comment of what is found in each clip, and analysis, for future clips. Loading all the clips takes a long time and maxes out accounts (plus they keep stopping with errors).

Thanks

Wayne.

Joseph Aurili · February 20th, 2006, 01:30 PM

OK, so maybe there are no threads after all. I guess that is a good way for Sanyo to make sure you buy their lens..

Joseph Aurili · February 20th, 2006, 01:54 PM

Here are a couple of left to right pan clips at the metro station:

S 1/30 manual mode. I believe ND was on and A = f8:
www.gamersden.com/hd1test/panS30.MP4

A f6.8 manual mode. I believe ND was on and S = ?:
www.gamersden.com/hd1test/panA68.MP4

BTW you can not go higher then f6.8 in manual modes. In the beginning when then picture is pretty still the quality looks pretty much the same in both clips. The picture is much more blurred in 1/30 during movment. So, I think good quality and be achieved with either setting depending on what you need.

Graham Jones · February 20th, 2006, 02:26 PM

What's the soft case like Joseph? Does it protect the cam?

Joseph Aurili · February 20th, 2006, 02:40 PM

I have not used the case, but it it pretty firm (but not hard) and should provide good protection, unless you stand on it ;)

Dennis Hingsberg · February 20th, 2006, 02:58 PM

Yeah maybe the next test can be a "drop" test to see how well the case performs! LOL

I know when Sanyo switched cases from the C4 to the C6 I was disappointed. The C4 had a hard case you could put the whole camera in. The C6 case looks more like a pistol holster.

Luc-Henri Barthelemy · February 20th, 2006, 03:52 PM

Joseph, this last clips are like school cases : the S (1/30) one shows what would be a "filage" effect, useful when you are tracking a subject moving in the same way than your panaramic does (the subject is sharp but not the background): thanks to your cam to allow that ! The second one A 6.8 is the stroboscopic effet related to shutter speed too high to give a feeling of movement.
If you want a good result for this panoramic : do it slower ! Or record the same clip a few times to test the good shutter speed (in this case, between 1/60 and 1/150 for me).
I like very much the color balance of this clips; IMO they look like Richard Estes paintings.
I think you will have a lot of pleasure whith this cam !

Luc-Henri

Luc-Henri Barthelemy · February 20th, 2006, 04:16 PM

The stroboscopic effet could be an artifact of my home notebook. Its a Powerbook 1.5 Ghz, maybe a little bit short for this kind of HD even with VLC. I will try tomorow with my office Powermac G5 2X2Ghz.

Luc-Henri

Kurth Bousman · February 20th, 2006, 05:49 PM

Joseph - thanks for the footage- I'm more hopeful we're gonna see some great things from these little jewels. Looks far better than dv to me.
ps- I too was having problems viewing until I tried vlc. Kurth

Joseph Aurili · February 20th, 2006, 08:19 PM

Now, if only we could get a camcorder like this with a better CCD/CMOS x 3, and 25Mbps H.264. They can have a bunch of my money for that!

Dennis Hingsberg · February 20th, 2006, 09:15 PM

Joseph - if it's not asking too much would you be able to get some footage of some people? Perhaps some head shots and some bust-up shots would be real interesting to see... just a thought.

Ash Greyson · February 20th, 2006, 10:18 PM

Not sure what the buzz is about... this is a fun tech "toy" that maybe you can mount to a mini-plane or boom pole and get some fun shots with. This is not marketed to, nor begins to perform remotely close to anything professional or even pro-sumer.

I cant believe there is talk of lens adapters, filters, mini35mm etc. The resolution is nice but the compression is lossy and extremely noisy. Any motion causes it to look terrible. I have upconverted DV and it blows this out of the water, not sure what some of you are seeing when you say it is better than DV.

This camera is a neat, affordable, fun little camera that is a nice way to play around with HD on the cheap.

ash =o)

Dennis Hingsberg · February 20th, 2006, 10:28 PM

I think we're doing the usual which is what most of us on this forum like to do - pushing and testing the limits of the consumer technology that gets put in the palm of our hands.

By the way, you're not suggesting that DV cameras like the XL2, DVX or PD's are more than prosumer are you? ;)

February 20th, 2006, 10:09 AM	#241
Luc-Henri Barthelemy Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Paris France Posts: 29	Filter Size Here is a link where you can see somebody putting the wide angle lenses on the front of cam (at the 3/4 of the clip). It seems like the additional lense is pushed more than screewed and that its frame surrounds the original lenses. http://feeds.feedburner.com/PdafrancePodcastVideo?m=56 Luc-Henri

February 20th, 2006, 11:42 AM	#242
Dennis Hingsberg Trustee Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,055	HD1 and 35mm adapter! Okay so who wants to try the HD1 with a DYI 35mm adapter of some sort? That's something I'd really like to see... the extra softening by the ground glass should ease the compression even more producing perhaps less artifacts! After down rezzing to SD or DVD the results might very well be quite amazing... we need to test this. Joseph - I love your last set of tests, these images are comparable to the ones on the Japanese site I posted earlier. (Now if I can just get my bloody directshow in AVIsynth working properly to play these MP4 files in Windows Media player or Virtual dub, I can try various tests and methods burning to DVD) __________________ Blog: www.hingsberg.com Ultimate Exposure Guides for FS5/F7S/F5/F55 Last edited by Dennis Hingsberg; February 20th, 2006 at 02:08 PM.

February 20th, 2006, 02:26 PM	#246
Graham Jones Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 489	What's the soft case like Joseph? Does it protect the cam? __________________ www.irishfilmmaker.com

February 20th, 2006, 02:58 PM	#248
Dennis Hingsberg Trustee Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,055	Yeah maybe the next test can be a "drop" test to see how well the case performs! LOL I know when Sanyo switched cases from the C4 to the C6 I was disappointed. The C4 had a hard case you could put the whole camera in. The C6 case looks more like a pistol holster. __________________ Blog: www.hingsberg.com Ultimate Exposure Guides for FS5/F7S/F5/F55

February 20th, 2006, 03:52 PM	#249
Luc-Henri Barthelemy Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Paris France Posts: 29	Panoramics Joseph, this last clips are like school cases : the S (1/30) one shows what would be a "filage" effect, useful when you are tracking a subject moving in the same way than your panaramic does (the subject is sharp but not the background): thanks to your cam to allow that ! The second one A 6.8 is the stroboscopic effet related to shutter speed too high to give a feeling of movement. If you want a good result for this panoramic : do it slower ! Or record the same clip a few times to test the good shutter speed (in this case, between 1/60 and 1/150 for me). I like very much the color balance of this clips; IMO they look like Richard Estes paintings. I think you will have a lot of pleasure whith this cam ! Luc-Henri Last edited by Luc-Henri Barthelemy; February 20th, 2006 at 04:59 PM.

February 20th, 2006, 12:29 PM	#243
Wayne Morellini Inner Circle Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 2,762	Look form the HD adaptor threads in alternative imaging first, that should ease the learning curve. Could I suggest? Posting some comment of what is found in each clip, and analysis, for future clips. Loading all the clips takes a long time and maxes out accounts (plus they keep stopping with errors). Thanks Wayne.

February 20th, 2006, 01:30 PM	#244
Joseph Aurili Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 326	OK, so maybe there are no threads after all. I guess that is a good way for Sanyo to make sure you buy their lens..

February 20th, 2006, 01:54 PM	#245
Joseph Aurili Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 326	Here are a couple of left to right pan clips at the metro station: S 1/30 manual mode. I believe ND was on and A = f8: www.gamersden.com/hd1test/panS30.MP4 A f6.8 manual mode. I believe ND was on and S = ?: www.gamersden.com/hd1test/panA68.MP4 BTW you can not go higher then f6.8 in manual modes. In the beginning when then picture is pretty still the quality looks pretty much the same in both clips. The picture is much more blurred in 1/30 during movment. So, I think good quality and be achieved with either setting depending on what you need.

February 20th, 2006, 02:40 PM	#247
Joseph Aurili Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 326	I have not used the case, but it it pretty firm (but not hard) and should provide good protection, unless you stand on it ;)

February 20th, 2006, 04:16 PM	#250
Luc-Henri Barthelemy Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Paris France Posts: 29	Panoramics bis The stroboscopic effet could be an artifact of my home notebook. Its a Powerbook 1.5 Ghz, maybe a little bit short for this kind of HD even with VLC. I will try tomorow with my office Powermac G5 2X2Ghz. Luc-Henri Last edited by Luc-Henri Barthelemy; February 20th, 2006 at 04:58 PM.

February 20th, 2006, 05:49 PM	#251
Kurth Bousman Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: san miguel allende , gto , mexico Posts: 644	Joseph - thanks for the footage- I'm more hopeful we're gonna see some great things from these little jewels. Looks far better than dv to me. ps- I too was having problems viewing until I tried vlc. Kurth

February 20th, 2006, 08:19 PM	#252
Joseph Aurili Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 326	Now, if only we could get a camcorder like this with a better CCD/CMOS x 3, and 25Mbps H.264. They can have a bunch of my money for that!

February 20th, 2006, 09:15 PM	#253
Dennis Hingsberg Trustee Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,055	Joseph - if it's not asking too much would you be able to get some footage of some people? Perhaps some head shots and some bust-up shots would be real interesting to see... just a thought. __________________ Blog: www.hingsberg.com Ultimate Exposure Guides for FS5/F7S/F5/F55

February 20th, 2006, 10:18 PM	#254
Ash Greyson Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,689	Not sure what the buzz is about... this is a fun tech "toy" that maybe you can mount to a mini-plane or boom pole and get some fun shots with. This is not marketed to, nor begins to perform remotely close to anything professional or even pro-sumer. I cant believe there is talk of lens adapters, filters, mini35mm etc. The resolution is nice but the compression is lossy and extremely noisy. Any motion causes it to look terrible. I have upconverted DV and it blows this out of the water, not sure what some of you are seeing when you say it is better than DV. This camera is a neat, affordable, fun little camera that is a nice way to play around with HD on the cheap. ash =o)

February 20th, 2006, 10:28 PM	#255
Dennis Hingsberg Trustee Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,055	I think we're doing the usual which is what most of us on this forum like to do - pushing and testing the limits of the consumer technology that gets put in the palm of our hands. By the way, you're not suggesting that DV cameras like the XL2, DVX or PD's are more than prosumer are you? ;) __________________ Blog: www.hingsberg.com Ultimate Exposure Guides for FS5/F7S/F5/F55