I got my computer. Now I need a capture card!? at DVinfo.net

John Garcia · June 23rd, 2003, 09:59 PM

Alright, I got my computer...

3.06 GHz1 Intel® Pentium® 4 with Hyper-Threading Technology
250 GB 7200 RPM HD
1 GB DDR-SDRAM
NVIDIA® GeForce4 MX 440
DVD-RW/DVD-R
CD-RW/CD-R
18" TFT LCD Monitor

Now...I want to capture some footage from a pd150 via firewire connection. Thats all good. Now, I wanna capture video from a VCR via S-Video or composite connection. My computer doesnt have A/V or S-Video connections, so I have come to the conclusion, that I need some kind of capture card that has an s-video port and/or composite A/V ports, enabling me to capture from an older camera, or from any playback device with A/V output.

I currently have Premiere 6.5. I figured, if i'm going to get a capture card, I might as well get one that supports real-time editing, and output.

What do I really need? I looked up cards that were compatible with premiere 6.5, and got a whole list. I went to the Canopus website, and came across the CANOPUS ACEDVio witch comes with Vegas 4.0. It supports most types of connections and lists for $499. Is this a good solution for capturing compatibility!?

Any help would be awesome. Thanks in advance.

Robert Knecht Schmidt · June 23rd, 2003, 10:56 PM

Canopus hardware comes highly recommended around here. The product you mention will do analog to digital and digital to analog conversions. If you want real time DV editing capability, step up to the DVStorm.

Adrian Douglas · June 24th, 2003, 07:53 AM

John,

Before you lay down the folding stuff besure to check that your hardware, motherboard, graphics card and audio card are compatable with whatever capture card you choose. If their are incompatibilites you will be up for both time and money headaches.

Nigel Moore · June 24th, 2003, 12:58 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Robert Knecht Schmidt : Canopus hardware comes highly recommended around here. The product you mention will do analog to digital and digital to analog conversions. If you want real time DV editing capability, step up to the DVStorm. -->>>

Except for the DV Raptor RT. It is the dictionary definition of POS!

Mike Rehmus · June 24th, 2003, 02:33 PM

Interesting you should say that, Nigel.

What is your specific objection(s) to the product?

While I've not had the RT version, my experiences with the original Raptor were very good.

Nigel Moore · June 25th, 2003, 02:44 AM

My specific objection to the product is that it gave poor quality playback and output in Premiere (watery noise) as well as sticking in the timeline (Premiere timeline plays, but monitor screen stays blank or shows still picture).

My system complies with the Can'o'puss HCL.

Can'o'puss tried to blame the graphics card (I started with a swanky Parhelia). I replaced that with a G550 (generally considered to be a very reliable performer) and finally with a Ti4600. All to no avail.

In the end, I took out the RRT and replaced it with an Adaptec FireConnect costing one tenth the price, and it just works. OK, so I lose out on the RRT colour correction tools, which were very nice, but at least my system works and is solid.

I keep meaning to sell the Craptor®RT on ebay.

Someone else I know had two RRTs, one worked, one did. But all the news I heard on the original Raptor was good tho'

Mike Rehmus · June 25th, 2003, 03:23 PM

Out of curiosity, did you ever try RaptorEditRT?

Arnaldo Paixao · June 30th, 2003, 09:27 AM

Matrox RT-X100.

Bill Ravens · June 30th, 2003, 09:56 AM

IMHO...your best bet is to stay with a simple and cheap firewire card...like the ADS Pyro. If you want to add analog connections, get yourself analog to DV convertor box like the PYRO A/V link.
http://www.adstech.com/products/API_550/intro/api550intro.asp?pid=API-550

If you're just starting in the NLE technology, avoid Premiere...it will be nothing but heartache. Go for the VEGAS 4...so much easier to learn, much more capable than Premiere, and it never hangs up.

Elmar Tewes · June 30th, 2003, 10:15 AM

DV STorm is a fine piece of card and would be amazing for your system (i own a 3ghz HT too and a storm). but look on the canopus side first if your mainboard and it's chip is supported with the canopus cards.
and by the way... when this is your only pc and it isn't for cutting only (it is a legend that a pc should be a cutting only pc - it really doesn't make a difference if there is anything else for your inet, games ect on it) replace your grafic card... a brand new P4 will be happy if it has at least a Ti4200 on his side ;-)

Ed Smith · June 30th, 2003, 10:18 AM

Matrox RTX 100 extreme come highly recommended by me.

Check www.matrox.com/video. They don't sale it without Premiere, although if you phone up and ask i'm sure they might have the board and drivers around somewhere to sale?

Check for compatabilty with your hardware as well.

All the best,

Ed

John Garcia · June 30th, 2003, 12:26 PM

Thanks for all the replies everyone. This helps alot! It seems my best solution would be the PYRO A/V Link.

Let me get this straight...

My system HAS firewire capibilities. Could I connect the PYRO A/V Link to my system via firewire, and capture from A/V sources? If so, then, I think thats what I need...

Edward Troxel · June 30th, 2003, 01:29 PM

Since your system has firewire built-in, you don't need anything except a wire to connect between your computer and camera and the software necessary to capture and edit.

Bill Ravens · June 30th, 2003, 01:40 PM

I think he needs to connect to a VHS, Ed. Can't do that thru 1394 without an interface with s-video or composite inputs.

Harry Settle · June 30th, 2003, 04:25 PM

I don't know if this has been suggested already, I didn't take the time to read all of the above posts, yet. The Canopus ADVC-100 is outstanding for brining analog in to the computer via firewire, and then back out again. It was the best $300 I ever invested in. No more messing around with drivers and such. Dropped frames. I don't think so!

Of course if you want to bust out for bigger bucks, I have been really impressed with Canopus products.

If you go to the canopus site, and rread through the forums, you will notice that there are more people there sharing "how to" instead of debugging problems. Then go to other manufacturers sites and make a comparison.

June 23rd, 2003, 09:59 PM	#1
John Garcia Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Honolulu, Hawaii Posts: 199	I got my computer. Now I need a capture card!? Alright, I got my computer... 3.06 GHz1 Intel® Pentium® 4 with Hyper-Threading Technology 250 GB 7200 RPM HD 1 GB DDR-SDRAM NVIDIA® GeForce4 MX 440 DVD-RW/DVD-R CD-RW/CD-R 18" TFT LCD Monitor Now...I want to capture some footage from a pd150 via firewire connection. Thats all good. Now, I wanna capture video from a VCR via S-Video or composite connection. My computer doesnt have A/V or S-Video connections, so I have come to the conclusion, that I need some kind of capture card that has an s-video port and/or composite A/V ports, enabling me to capture from an older camera, or from any playback device with A/V output. I currently have Premiere 6.5. I figured, if i'm going to get a capture card, I might as well get one that supports real-time editing, and output. What do I really need? I looked up cards that were compatible with premiere 6.5, and got a whole list. I went to the Canopus website, and came across the CANOPUS ACEDVio witch comes with Vegas 4.0. It supports most types of connections and lists for $499. Is this a good solution for capturing compatibility!? Any help would be awesome. Thanks in advance.

June 23rd, 2003, 10:56 PM	#2
Robert Knecht Schmidt Wrangler Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,933	Canopus hardware comes highly recommended around here. The product you mention will do analog to digital and digital to analog conversions. If you want real time DV editing capability, step up to the DVStorm. __________________ All the best, Robert K S Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

June 24th, 2003, 07:53 AM	#3
Adrian Douglas Trustee Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Chigasaki, Japan. Posts: 1,660	John, Before you lay down the folding stuff besure to check that your hardware, motherboard, graphics card and audio card are compatable with whatever capture card you choose. If their are incompatibilites you will be up for both time and money headaches. __________________ Adrian DVInfo.net Search for quick answers Where to buy? From the best in the business...DVInfo.net sponsors

June 24th, 2003, 02:33 PM	#5
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	Interesting you should say that, Nigel. What is your specific objection(s) to the product? While I've not had the RT version, my experiences with the original Raptor were very good. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

June 25th, 2003, 03:23 PM	#7
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	Out of curiosity, did you ever try RaptorEditRT? __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

June 24th, 2003, 12:58 PM	#4
Nigel Moore Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Switzerland Posts: 358	<<<-- Originally posted by Robert Knecht Schmidt : Canopus hardware comes highly recommended around here. The product you mention will do analog to digital and digital to analog conversions. If you want real time DV editing capability, step up to the DVStorm. -->>> Except for the DV Raptor RT. It is the dictionary definition of POS!

June 25th, 2003, 02:44 AM	#6
Nigel Moore Major Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: Switzerland Posts: 358	My specific objection to the product is that it gave poor quality playback and output in Premiere (watery noise) as well as sticking in the timeline (Premiere timeline plays, but monitor screen stays blank or shows still picture). My system complies with the Can'o'puss HCL. Can'o'puss tried to blame the graphics card (I started with a swanky Parhelia). I replaced that with a G550 (generally considered to be a very reliable performer) and finally with a Ti4600. All to no avail. In the end, I took out the RRT and replaced it with an Adaptec FireConnect costing one tenth the price, and it just works. OK, so I lose out on the RRT colour correction tools, which were very nice, but at least my system works and is solid. I keep meaning to sell the Craptor®RT on ebay. Someone else I know had two RRTs, one worked, one did. But all the news I heard on the original Raptor was good tho'

June 30th, 2003, 09:27 AM	#8
Arnaldo Paixao Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Vimeiro - Portugal Posts: 255	Matrox RT-X100.

June 30th, 2003, 09:56 AM	#9
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	IMHO...your best bet is to stay with a simple and cheap firewire card...like the ADS Pyro. If you want to add analog connections, get yourself analog to DV convertor box like the PYRO A/V link. http://www.adstech.com/products/API_550/intro/api550intro.asp?pid=API-550 If you're just starting in the NLE technology, avoid Premiere...it will be nothing but heartache. Go for the VEGAS 4...so much easier to learn, much more capable than Premiere, and it never hangs up.

June 30th, 2003, 10:15 AM	#10
Elmar Tewes Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Frankfurt Germany Posts: 104	DV STorm is a fine piece of card and would be amazing for your system (i own a 3ghz HT too and a storm). but look on the canopus side first if your mainboard and it's chip is supported with the canopus cards. and by the way... when this is your only pc and it isn't for cutting only (it is a legend that a pc should be a cutting only pc - it really doesn't make a difference if there is anything else for your inet, games ect on it) replace your grafic card... a brand new P4 will be happy if it has at least a Ti4200 on his side ;-)

June 30th, 2003, 10:18 AM	#11
Ed Smith Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hampshire, England Posts: 1,545	Matrox RTX 100 extreme come highly recommended by me. Check www.matrox.com/video. They don't sale it without Premiere, although if you phone up and ask i'm sure they might have the board and drivers around somewhere to sale? Check for compatabilty with your hardware as well. All the best, Ed __________________ Ed Smith Hampshire, UK Good things come to those who wait My Skiing web www.Frostytour.co.uk For quick answers Search dvinfo.net \| The best in the business: dvinfo.net Sponsors

June 30th, 2003, 12:26 PM	#12
John Garcia Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Honolulu, Hawaii Posts: 199	Thanks for all the replies everyone. This helps alot! It seems my best solution would be the PYRO A/V Link. Let me get this straight... My system HAS firewire capibilities. Could I connect the PYRO A/V Link to my system via firewire, and capture from A/V sources? If so, then, I think thats what I need...

June 30th, 2003, 01:29 PM	#13
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Since your system has firewire built-in, you don't need anything except a wire to connect between your computer and camera and the software necessary to capture and edit.

June 30th, 2003, 01:40 PM	#14
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	I think he needs to connect to a VHS, Ed. Can't do that thru 1394 without an interface with s-video or composite inputs.

June 30th, 2003, 04:25 PM	#15
Harry Settle Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bemidji, MN Posts: 276	I don't know if this has been suggested already, I didn't take the time to read all of the above posts, yet. The Canopus ADVC-100 is outstanding for brining analog in to the computer via firewire, and then back out again. It was the best $300 I ever invested in. No more messing around with drivers and such. Dropped frames. I don't think so! Of course if you want to bust out for bigger bucks, I have been really impressed with Canopus products. If you go to the canopus site, and rread through the forums, you will notice that there are more people there sharing "how to" instead of debugging problems. Then go to other manufacturers sites and make a comparison. __________________ "DOH"!!!