miroDV2AVI question at DVinfo.net

Peter Jefferson · September 2nd, 2003, 07:06 AM

okies, this is wierd...

i went to use the demo version of AlamDV to see what i can actually do with it. Then it tells me that my codec is unsupported or incorrect...

anyways, i go to check the file and the codec used for the file is Pinnacle miroDV2avi. Now this avi wont load into alam, and this codec also doesnt allow me to export to tape.

Now this codec is being used when i'm rendering from Vegas with the Mainconcept plugin but i'm selecting AVI for windows.

BUT when i render to AVI from Pinnacle studio7 it shows that its the Indeo Video 5 codec.

so these different apps are using different codecs which i can understand, but why wont Vegas use its default codec?
Why won't Pinnacle default to IT'S own codec ?

this is baffling, and the only way around it is to render using different codecs...

At the moment, i don't have a need to print to tape, but i'd like to know that if i ever did i won't have any hassles...

Any thoughts on this?

Arnaldo Paixao · September 3rd, 2003, 03:40 AM

In Pinnacle Studio 7, choose the DV codec when rendering to AVI.

Best regards,
Arnaldo

Hans Henrik Bang · September 3rd, 2003, 03:43 AM

I played around with AlamDV around 6 months ago and ran into something like that.

I remember a lot of information on that exact subject on the AlamDV homepage and/or in the AlamDV readme file. I cannot remember the details, but look at the above 2 sources, and you should find it in 2 minutes.

Hans Henrik

Peter Jefferson · September 3rd, 2003, 08:56 AM

thanks for the replies guys, but i don't think that's the issue...
i don't have a problem with Pinnacle codec or getting Pinnacle rendered files into Alam, it's the Miro codec being used in vegas.... which is also stopping me from printing to tape....

any other thoughts??

Rob Lohman · September 10th, 2003, 10:26 AM

Let's get a few things out of the way first. What do you mean with
the applications default codecs? The default codec for Vegas is
their own Sonic Foundry DV Codec.

If you go in Vegas to Options -> Preferences -> General preferences.
Do you have "Ignore third party DV codecs" and "Use Microsoft
DV Codec" on or off?

Keep in mind that AVI is simply a container format. It doesn't
understand any encoding format except uncompressed. What
I also don't understand is where this Miro codec is coming from.
Do you have a Miro board with drivers installed? If so, then
Alam is probably reporting it wrongly as a Miro codec when it is
infact just plain DV.

We have two types of codecs on a Windows system. The Video
for Windows (VfW) "old" ones and the new Directshow ones.
Microsoft's DV codec is only available as a Directshow version
(which is why older versions of Premiere didn't want to read
DV files).

I think AlamDV is only supporting Directshow codecs and not
the older VfW ones anymore. This is why it won't open the
file.

One way to find out what codec the file has been written in is
to open it in a FourCC changer/viewer. Do the following:

1. goto www.doom9.org

2. click on download

3. go down to AVI Editing tools

4. click on show all AVI editing tools

5. download the FourCC changer

6. run the program and open your problem file

Report back what FourCC code the file is using. Microsoft DV
uses 'dvsd' and this is the FourCC code Vegas is outputting by
default as well (as does Premiere by default).

If the file does have 'dvsd' you have a new DV codec on your
system that is causing these problems.

September 2nd, 2003, 07:06 AM	#1
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	miroDV2AVI question okies, this is wierd... i went to use the demo version of AlamDV to see what i can actually do with it. Then it tells me that my codec is unsupported or incorrect... anyways, i go to check the file and the codec used for the file is Pinnacle miroDV2avi. Now this avi wont load into alam, and this codec also doesnt allow me to export to tape. Now this codec is being used when i'm rendering from Vegas with the Mainconcept plugin but i'm selecting AVI for windows. BUT when i render to AVI from Pinnacle studio7 it shows that its the Indeo Video 5 codec. so these different apps are using different codecs which i can understand, but why wont Vegas use its default codec? Why won't Pinnacle default to IT'S own codec ? this is baffling, and the only way around it is to render using different codecs... At the moment, i don't have a need to print to tape, but i'd like to know that if i ever did i won't have any hassles... Any thoughts on this?

September 10th, 2003, 10:26 AM	#5
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Let's get a few things out of the way first. What do you mean with the applications default codecs? The default codec for Vegas is their own Sonic Foundry DV Codec. If you go in Vegas to Options -> Preferences -> General preferences. Do you have "Ignore third party DV codecs" and "Use Microsoft DV Codec" on or off? Keep in mind that AVI is simply a container format. It doesn't understand any encoding format except uncompressed. What I also don't understand is where this Miro codec is coming from. Do you have a Miro board with drivers installed? If so, then Alam is probably reporting it wrongly as a Miro codec when it is infact just plain DV. We have two types of codecs on a Windows system. The Video for Windows (VfW) "old" ones and the new Directshow ones. Microsoft's DV codec is only available as a Directshow version (which is why older versions of Premiere didn't want to read DV files). I think AlamDV is only supporting Directshow codecs and not the older VfW ones anymore. This is why it won't open the file. One way to find out what codec the file has been written in is to open it in a FourCC changer/viewer. Do the following: 1. goto www.doom9.org 2. click on download 3. go down to AVI Editing tools 4. click on show all AVI editing tools 5. download the FourCC changer 6. run the program and open your problem file Report back what FourCC code the file is using. Microsoft DV uses 'dvsd' and this is the FourCC code Vegas is outputting by default as well (as does Premiere by default). If the file does have 'dvsd' you have a new DV codec on your system that is causing these problems. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

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September 3rd, 2003, 03:40 AM	#2
Arnaldo Paixao Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Vimeiro - Portugal Posts: 255	In Pinnacle Studio 7, choose the DV codec when rendering to AVI. Best regards, Arnaldo

September 3rd, 2003, 03:43 AM	#3
Hans Henrik Bang Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Frederiksberg, Denmark Posts: 133	I played around with AlamDV around 6 months ago and ran into something like that. I remember a lot of information on that exact subject on the AlamDV homepage and/or in the AlamDV readme file. I cannot remember the details, but look at the above 2 sources, and you should find it in 2 minutes. Hans Henrik

September 3rd, 2003, 08:56 AM	#4
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	thanks for the replies guys, but i don't think that's the issue... i don't have a problem with Pinnacle codec or getting Pinnacle rendered files into Alam, it's the Miro codec being used in vegas.... which is also stopping me from printing to tape.... any other thoughts??