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August 12th, 2009, 01:10 PM | #16 |
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Perrone's points are all really well-taken, but let's just assume for the moment that HDV and AVCHD aren't going anywhere soon, even if there are no new HDV cams on the horizon. As an editing format you could do worse than building a machine that can handle those formats.
There are already plenty of threads on system recommendations for editing various flavors of HD, especially over at the HD editing forum. Mo' power = Mo' betta. A year ago when I built my system, the ideal chips were Quad-Core Xeons, two if you could afford them. Now the hot chip is the i7. So my system is two quad Xeons, 20 GB RAM, a 10K Velociraptor system drive, and 7 x 1TB video drives in RAID3 plus hot spare (5TB capacity) for projects and raw CFHD video captures. I also have four x 2TB eSATA external drives for various scratch disks, but those aren't strictly necessary. I know you've visited at least one of these threads already but they might be worth reviewing: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/high-defi...ter-build.html http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/high-defi...do-i-need.html http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/high-defi...mputer-hd.html http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/general-h...ing-avchd.html As with everything, compromise will always be the order of the day. While you can get good value and impressive bang for the buck these days, cheap and high-performance do not usually go together. So it's really a matter of how much performance and capability you are comfortable paying for. Last edited by Adam Gold; August 12th, 2009 at 03:03 PM. |
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That makes things VERY simple. So no thoughts about delivering HD in the future from your HD camera? Ok, well I guess you can upgrade your audio card any time.
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Terry, you pretty much get what you pay for with computer equipment. After researching this and other forums for over a year and listening to Harm as well as others I ordered a custom built computer from avadirect for about $1,600 to edit P2 DVCPROHD material. In addition to that I bought Edius 5 with the HDSPARk HDTV output card from videoguys($750) and a 19" Samsung HDMI output viewing monitor from Frys for about $290. I now have a decent system that will last me for several years. In case you are interested here are my computer specs. I feel I spent a reasonable amount of money for performance.
ANTEC, Nine Hundred Two Black Mid-Tower Case w/ Window, ATX, No PSU CORSAIR, CMPSU-650TX TX Series Power Supply, 650W, 80 PLUS®, 24-pin ATX12V EPS12V, SLI Ready ASUS, P6T Deluxe V2, LGA1366, Intel® X58, 6400 MT/s QPI, DDR3-2000MHz (O.C.) 24GB /6, PCIe x16 SLI CF /3, SATA 3 Gb/s RAID 5 /6, HDA, GbLAN /2, FW /2, ATX, Retail INTEL, Core™ i7-920 Quad-Core 2.66GHz, LGA1366, 4.8 GT/s QPI, 8MB L3 Cache, 45nm, 130W, EM64T EIST VT XD, Retail CORSAIR, 3GB (3 x 1GB) XMS3 PC3-12800 DDR3 1600MHz CL9 (9-9-9-24) 1.65V SDRAM DIMM, Non-ECC SAPPHIRE, Radeon™ HD 4830 575MHz, 512MB GDDR3 1800MHz, PCIe x16 CrossFire, VGA+DVI, HDMI, Retail WESTERN DIGITAL, 160GB WD Caviar® SE (WD1600AAJS), SATA 3 Gb/s, 7200 RPM, 8MB cache WESTERN DIGITAL, 1TB WD Caviar® Black™ (WD1001FALS), SATA 3 Gb/s, 7200 RPM, 32MB Cache LITE-ON, iHAS324 Black 24x DVD±RW Dual-Layer Burner w/ Smart Erase, SATA, Retail SABRENT, CRW-UINB Black 65-in-1 Card Reader/Writer Drive, 3.5" Bay, Internal USB CREATIVE, Sound Blaster® X-Fi Titanium, 7.1 channels, 24-bit 96KHz, PCIe x1 MICROSOFT, Wired Keyboard 500, Black, PS/2 MICROSOFT, Optical Wheel Mouse, PS/2 + USB, Black MICROSOFT, Windows Vista Home Premium 32-bit Edition w/ SP1, OEM WARRANTY, Silver Warranty Package (3 Year Limited Parts, 3 Year Labor Warranty)
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I would also like to know a good format for presenting a reel to say a producer (haha) and maybe submitting to a film festival. If all else fails i'll just make some DVDs for myself and the cast and crew. I suppose I would need a BluRay burner for that, but wouldn't the people watching my film need a BluRay player to get that quality? Mark, thanks for positng your system. Why a single 160G HD with the 8MB cache? Adam, That is an impressive machine.... What do you think about a 60G Solid State drive for the OS? Again, thank you all for the help!
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SSD's are still overpriced in comparison to hard disks. Hard to beat in read performance for single disks, but write performance, specially after several months of use, is disappointing. But technical progress and better controllers in SSD's, as well as declining prices may make them feasible in 1 or 2 years. If you are on a budget, forget them for the time being.
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I have no experience with SSDs, so I will, as always, defer to Harm...
BTW, yes, to play BDs you need a BD player and you usually have to burn them in a BD burner. As has been posted here and there, it is possible to burn short Blu-Ray material to standard discs but you still need a BD burner and BD player. As to the future of HDV, it's hard to argue with anything Perrone says, but it's important to understand that the "death" of this format really applies to the retail supply chain only. I suspect many people will be using this format for years to come, just as some consumers are still using VHS, Hi8 and other formats no longer really supported by new models. They're still making and selling those tapes, even if there are no new cams or decks on the horizon. But that's really sort of a moot point as any PC you'd want to configure for video right now would need to at least be able to handle AVCHD or better, so the advice to just get the best you can afford is solid. |
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You do NOT need a bluray burner to make DVDs. You need a bluray burner if you want to put HD video files on optical media. You can put HD video files on something beside optical media and give that to your cast/crew. Or you can put SD video files on regular DVD and give that to your cast/crew and you just need a regular DVD burner for that.
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Ok, let's see if we can separate things here:
What is HD? HD = Video file that is 1920x1080 or 1280x720 and encoded in one of a million ways. Popular encoding methods for HD Files: WMV = Plays with Windows Media Player software. Standard on an PC Mpeg4 = Plays with Quicktime, VLC, and many other free players on PC and Mac AVC = Same/similar to Mpeg4 and also used as the file type to burn BluRay. Mpeg2 = ONLY format suitable for SD DVD, and formerly used for BluRay disks. Generally needs a specialized reader. Popular ways to deliver HD Files: BluRay = Standard for Optical delivery of HD material. Need a BluRay burner to make them, need a BluRay reader to view. USB Thumb Drive = Small storage format that plugs into any laptop or desktop PC or Mac. SDHC = Small card based format that fits natively into many laptops, or with a USB adapter, can be used on nearly any PC or Mac CompactFlash = Similar to SDHC but larger, and at the top end, faster. Standard DVD = You can't fit a lot of BluRay media onto standard DVDs because of their size, but you can write them with a standard DVD burner. There are two ways to handle this. One, you can burn a standard data disk that can be played on any PC or Mac. You simply create one of the file types above at a size that will fit on the disk. The other way to do this is to burn these using BluRay burning software. Not all machines support reading plain DVDs encoded like BluRays. The Playstation does, and a a small number of BluRay machines do. This is the least compatible way of getting BluRay out there and is really false economy now as BluRay Discs have gotten pretty cheap. When they were $30, this made sense. Now that you can get 25GB BluRay disks for $2.50, it's a lot harder to justify. Keep in mind that if I encode my HD source media to an Mpeg4/AVC file, I can put that file on my hard drive and play it as HD. I can put it on a plain DVD and play it as HD. I can put it on an SDHC card and play it, I can burn it to a real BluRay disc and put it in a BluRay player and play it, etc. The media is just the delivery container. It says NOTHING about the file, or the quality of the file contained on it.
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A few months ago I ordered a Studio XPS Core i7 based computer from Dell for $1100. Had 6GB RAM an ATI graphics card (not the best...but...it works!) with 512MB on board, a 500GB internal drive, and a standard DVD burner. And more. A couple of days ago one of the email offers I keep getting from them offered essentially the same machine with a 640GB hard drive for $958. Some NLE packages that will take your video project from capture/import through editing and on to DVD or Blu-ray authoring (if you have the Blu-ray burner) cost around $100 or so. I would waste no more time fiddling with obsolete components and therefore "trap yourself in the dust" left by the rest as they move with technology. Oh...Both the Dell I bought and the current offer came with a 21.5 inch widescreen monitor. |
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Ok let me see if I understand this. What I am doing is transfering a analog information from my tape to a digital signal (high definition digital signal) which can be encoded into WMV, MPEG4, MPEG2 and AVC which are essentially "containers" which only define how the files are stored.
BluRay is standard for HD because you can fit much more information on a BluRay disc than you can a standard DVD. But to distribute them, people will need a BluRay player..? I could encode my footage as a MPEG4 or AVC file and play it as HD right off of my computer or put it on a DVD and play it as HD (but the file can't exceed the DVD size) So. My best bet for showing this film in HD in my university's theatre is keep it on my computer unless of course they have a BluRay player which can be projected on the big screen. If so, I should need a BluRay burner. Or I could put my film on a thumb drive or external hard drive and show it on a projector from someone else's computer. Well my computer build I hope can reflect some of the informaiton layed out by everyone here. I have chosen the following equipment to work with Sony Vegas 9. 1. Core i7 920 2. Biostar TPower X58A Motherboard (Biostar TPower X58A Motherboard - Intel X58, LGA 1366, ATX, Audio, PCI Express 2.0, CrossFire Ready, SLI Ready, Dual Gigabit LAN at TigerDirect.com) 3. 1TB Western Digital 7200rpm 32mb cache 4. OCZ Tri channel memory DDR3 PC15000 (3GB) 5. Monitor. I chose (LG W2253TQ-PF 22" Widescreen LCD Monitor - 1080p, 1920x1080, 50000:1, 2ms, 16:9, DVI, VGA, Black at TigerDirect.com) I compaired the specs to the Dell UltraSharp 2009W that you gave me the link to and the LG provides 50,000:1 Dynamic contrast ratio, 2ms response time and 1080p Full HD resolution where as the Dell has a 2000:1 ratio and 5ms response time. Is there something I am missing? The sixth item on my list was a super fast hard drive for my operating system but I can't find a decently priced one. Then there would be a bluray burner but as they are around $200, I will hold off for now. Sound decent?
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