file sizes after rendering at DVinfo.net

goldenfleece · October 4th, 2002, 01:23 PM

I just rendered a simple 10 second test file in After Effects, which was full DV widescreen, which after applying test cinelook effects turned into a massive 78MB file!!! Why has the file multiplied in size many times and how can I get it back to a more manageable size. To render a whole project will take me one hell of an enormous drive, not the 40 GB I have at the moment!

Should movie files come out of After Effects greatly bloated like this? All I did was add film grain and dust particles, nothing more.

Edward Troxel · October 4th, 2002, 02:04 PM

10 seconds of standard DV would be about 36 Meg. Are you rendering uncompressed?

goldenfleece · October 5th, 2002, 03:03 AM

I had composition settings on FULL so I suppose I may have been. What is the best acceptable setting for a final image as good as the DV original? I definitely dont want to lose any quality at all just trying to apply a few effects, in this case using the day for night filter effect for a few scenes I am working with.

Can you recommend the best setting for rendering that maintains the integrity of the DV image as it was originally recorded in the camera, yet is not massively hungry on disk space. I have what will be a 43 minute movie and only 20GB space left for this project, but I dont want to lose any quality as it will be going back to the DV camera at some point.

Edward Troxel · October 6th, 2002, 02:12 PM

Just render back to NTSC DV (or PAL as the case may be). DO NOT choose Uncompressed. You should have a built-in setting for standard DV.

Josh Bass · October 7th, 2002, 03:13 AM

I'd like to cut in on this action if I could. I attempted to create a quicktime movie of a PSA I edited in Vegas Video 3. I selected the PSA on the timeline, chose "render to new track," and saved it as a quicktime movie at preview quality. What did I come up with? a 1.6 gig file that was not listed as a quicktime movie in my hard drive, but a "video clip". . .had little icon of a projector. Where'd I go wrong?

By the way, the original PSA was one minute long.

goldenfleece · October 8th, 2002, 05:05 AM

Please see my new thread re rendering with premiere. I found a simple way of rendering by using EXPORT option, which actually still renders all the effects you have added and exports to the hard drive as a full quality DV file, with all the settings for full DV already done, without messing about with output modules and other technical data. I thought as it was so fast it would just export the original DV file with no effects, but no, it was all done twice as fast as using the render menu options.

Somewhat confusing software for the beginner. I think maybe I should have started out with something a bit simpler with auto wizards, etc, instead of this very advanced software Premiere 6. The help file is also corrupted which is a nuisance, so I have to press every button and menui n sight until I find what I want to do. The output module settings got me totally lost, so I am glad I found a much easier way.

Edward Troxel · October 8th, 2002, 12:19 PM

In Vegas Video, you should select the area you want rendered and then, instead of "rendering to a new track", you should go to File - Render As. In this box, pick the type of file you want (.mov in your case) and then you can customize the settings and give a name for the saved file. This should give you full control over your .mov creation process.

Josh Bass · October 8th, 2002, 04:10 PM

Ah yes, thank you. Does it say somewhere what the file size will be, so you can tell before you render?

Edward Troxel · October 9th, 2002, 12:36 PM

Not that I know of. With MPEG 2, you can use a formula to figure that out. With .mov and other "web" type files, I have always just rendered and looked at the size of the resulting file.

October 4th, 2002, 01:23 PM	#1
goldenfleece New Boot Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: sheffield Posts: 22	file sizes after rendering I just rendered a simple 10 second test file in After Effects, which was full DV widescreen, which after applying test cinelook effects turned into a massive 78MB file!!! Why has the file multiplied in size many times and how can I get it back to a more manageable size. To render a whole project will take me one hell of an enormous drive, not the 40 GB I have at the moment! Should movie files come out of After Effects greatly bloated like this? All I did was add film grain and dust particles, nothing more.

October 5th, 2002, 03:03 AM	#3
goldenfleece New Boot Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: sheffield Posts: 22	render settings I had composition settings on FULL so I suppose I may have been. What is the best acceptable setting for a final image as good as the DV original? I definitely dont want to lose any quality at all just trying to apply a few effects, in this case using the day for night filter effect for a few scenes I am working with. Can you recommend the best setting for rendering that maintains the integrity of the DV image as it was originally recorded in the camera, yet is not massively hungry on disk space. I have what will be a 43 minute movie and only 20GB space left for this project, but I dont want to lose any quality as it will be going back to the DV camera at some point.

October 7th, 2002, 03:13 AM	#5
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	I'd like to cut in on this action if I could. I attempted to create a quicktime movie of a PSA I edited in Vegas Video 3. I selected the PSA on the timeline, chose "render to new track," and saved it as a quicktime movie at preview quality. What did I come up with? a 1.6 gig file that was not listed as a quicktime movie in my hard drive, but a "video clip". . .had little icon of a projector. Where'd I go wrong? By the way, the original PSA was one minute long. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

October 8th, 2002, 05:05 AM	#6
goldenfleece New Boot Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: sheffield Posts: 22	other post Please see my new thread re rendering with premiere. I found a simple way of rendering by using EXPORT option, which actually still renders all the effects you have added and exports to the hard drive as a full quality DV file, with all the settings for full DV already done, without messing about with output modules and other technical data. I thought as it was so fast it would just export the original DV file with no effects, but no, it was all done twice as fast as using the render menu options. Somewhat confusing software for the beginner. I think maybe I should have started out with something a bit simpler with auto wizards, etc, instead of this very advanced software Premiere 6. The help file is also corrupted which is a nuisance, so I have to press every button and menui n sight until I find what I want to do. The output module settings got me totally lost, so I am glad I found a much easier way.

October 8th, 2002, 04:10 PM	#8
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Ah yes, thank you. Does it say somewhere what the file size will be, so you can tell before you render? __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

October 4th, 2002, 02:04 PM	#2
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	10 seconds of standard DV would be about 36 Meg. Are you rendering uncompressed?

October 6th, 2002, 02:12 PM	#4
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Just render back to NTSC DV (or PAL as the case may be). DO NOT choose Uncompressed. You should have a built-in setting for standard DV.

October 8th, 2002, 12:19 PM	#7
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	In Vegas Video, you should select the area you want rendered and then, instead of "rendering to a new track", you should go to File - Render As. In this box, pick the type of file you want (.mov in your case) and then you can customize the settings and give a name for the saved file. This should give you full control over your .mov creation process.

October 9th, 2002, 12:36 PM	#9
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Not that I know of. With MPEG 2, you can use a formula to figure that out. With .mov and other "web" type files, I have always just rendered and looked at the size of the resulting file.