Green Screen Fun

Jonathan Jones · February 7th, 2008, 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grant Carden

In the spirit of Cloverfield...

http://www.cardenfilms.com/flip3.mov

Poor little car. Its having a really bad day.

I'm really digging your efforts with this. Its looking quite good. I won't repeat what has already been posted about the elements of true physics and damage, etc. but I will comment regarding this most recent clip. Its a small detail, but I noticed it. As the car tumbles past the parked car on the right side of the frame, it should cast an obscured reflection in the side paneling of the parked car to put it more realistically into the composite.

Just an observation.

But its looking great.

-Jon

Grant Carden · February 7th, 2008, 01:58 AM

I will do that next!

http://www.cardenfilms.com/carhow.mov

It's not for a project, just tests...

Ervin Farkas · February 7th, 2008, 07:09 AM

WOW, it's getting really close to real now - I love that wheel falling off. Might be a good idea to back off a little; from a distance you can't see all of the (imperfect) details.

Now if you hit the top of the matchbox with a hammer before you throw it, you can even get the crushed look. Also, if you put some crushed glass pieces inside, you may get the debris in the picture.

Joe Rizzo-Naudi · February 7th, 2008, 11:10 AM

Looking awesome, really impressive.

Maybe try with one of those diecast model cars that you have to build? You can sort of create a model with parts which aren't glued and will easily fall off. Wheels, doors, bumpers etc.

Philip Gioja · February 7th, 2008, 11:54 AM

I like it - you're tempting me to start playing around with this stuff myself.

I was hoping the wheel would bounce off another car and roll down the street or something.... (-;

Jim Andrada · February 7th, 2008, 12:32 PM

Lookig good!!!!

Re damage to the car - I wouldn't hit it with a hammer as these things are diecast and won't deform under shock anything like a sheet metal structure would - and the paint might flake off in strange ways as well.

But I guess you could always paint it over with some model paints.

You might try putting a couple of pieces of wood in a pair vise grip pliers and squeeze gently to see if you could get it to deform in a reasonable way. You might have to sacrifice a couple of these cars to get something you like.

I think if you cut away from the scene really quickly at the end people (normal people that is, not people like us who know how these things are done) would probably be fine with the illusion as it is. I think not leaving them time to think about it at the end is important.

Maybe a nice CG explosion with flame and smoke engulfing the car at the end would be just the thing.

Turbo Squid, Renderosity, Content Paradise, etc sell CG models of a lot of popular vehicles all ready to stick into your animation. I wish we could get the match box guys to sell CG models as well as the metal ones!

Dean Sensui · February 8th, 2008, 03:10 AM

Add some debris coming off the car. Like bits of glass. A piece of chrome moulding, etc. The usual bits of junk you'd find laying around loose in a car.

Overall, it's looking good. Nice work!

Heiko Saele · February 8th, 2008, 01:40 PM

I immediately thought the first video should be a commercial: Everything is quiet, soothing music, the two cars standing quietly - then the car is turned over and a loud voiceover screams something like "Company XY! Hits you real hard!" Something like that. It has this surprising comedy effect because it moves a little faster than a real car would.

Bill Watson · February 8th, 2008, 02:40 PM

Great stuff.

I think it would look sensational in slo mo though.

Allen Plowman · February 8th, 2008, 02:47 PM

I am waiting patiently? for the next clip...

Jim Andrada · February 12th, 2008, 06:10 PM

Grant,

I was thinking about how nice it would be if the car blew up at the end - if it happened quickly enough you wouldn't have time to notice that you were looking at the underside of a model.

I had a few minutes to play around last night so I made up a short explosion/fireball/smoke animation in Cinema 4D

http://www.j-e-andrada.com/flames.avi

This is only 320X240, but if you want it I can send you a hi-res version.

Maybe tonight I'll fool with having the doors and wheels blow off and fly through the air.

Just having fun!

Nick Schale · February 13th, 2008, 09:02 AM

Wow. This is great stuff. Kinda glad I came in when I did. Got to see the entire thing evolve :)

Terry Lee · February 14th, 2008, 01:24 PM

Grant - great job honestly. I really enjoyed watching this test's progress. I have to say I would periodically check in on this thread just to see what happened next! it was exciting and inspiring at the same time.

Would you do some other stuff for us?

We love entertainment here at DVINFO :)

Paul Mailath · February 14th, 2008, 05:42 PM

What a thread! - entertaining, inspiring & educational. I really like the fact that others are chipping in with aditional ideas, examples - web based collaboration at it's best

Encore!!

Martin Smith · February 15th, 2008, 09:07 AM

I added a touch of fire and smoke, had to freeze frame to extend the time a bit, looks kinda goofy with the abrupt stop and lack of sound but fun none the less

http://prohosted.com/FlipFire.mov

February 7th, 2008, 07:09 AM	#18
Ervin Farkas Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta/USA Posts: 2,515	WOW, it's getting really close to real now - I love that wheel falling off. Might be a good idea to back off a little; from a distance you can't see all of the (imperfect) details. Now if you hit the top of the matchbox with a hammer before you throw it, you can even get the crushed look. Also, if you put some crushed glass pieces inside, you may get the debris in the picture. __________________ Ervin Farkas www.AtlantaLegalVideo.com

February 8th, 2008, 03:10 AM	#22
Dean Sensui Inner Circle Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 2,054	Add some debris coming off the car. Like bits of glass. A piece of chrome moulding, etc. The usual bits of junk you'd find laying around loose in a car. Overall, it's looking good. Nice work! __________________ Dean Sensui Exec Producer, Hawaii Goes Fishing

February 8th, 2008, 02:47 PM	#25
Allen Plowman Major Player Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Paradise, california Posts: 353	I am waiting patiently? for the next clip... __________________ "What I need is an exact list of specific unknown problems we might encounter."

February 14th, 2008, 01:24 PM	#28
Terry Lee Major Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 691	Grant - great job honestly. I really enjoyed watching this test's progress. I have to say I would periodically check in on this thread just to see what happened next! it was exciting and inspiring at the same time. Would you do some other stuff for us? We love entertainment here at DVINFO :) __________________ https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=38313004

February 14th, 2008, 05:42 PM	#29
Paul Mailath Trustee Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Central Coast - NSW, Australia Posts: 1,606	What a thread! - entertaining, inspiring & educational. I really like the fact that others are chipping in with aditional ideas, examples - web based collaboration at it's best Encore!! __________________ Cheers - Paul M. www.perbenyik.com

February 7th, 2008, 01:58 AM	#17
Grant Carden New Boot Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 23	I will do that next! http://www.cardenfilms.com/carhow.mov It's not for a project, just tests...

February 7th, 2008, 11:10 AM	#19
Joe Rizzo-Naudi Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: London, UK Posts: 32	Looking awesome, really impressive. Maybe try with one of those diecast model cars that you have to build? You can sort of create a model with parts which aren't glued and will easily fall off. Wheels, doors, bumpers etc.

February 7th, 2008, 11:54 AM	#20
Philip Gioja Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Piper City, IL Posts: 350	I like it - you're tempting me to start playing around with this stuff myself. I was hoping the wheel would bounce off another car and roll down the street or something.... (-;

February 7th, 2008, 12:32 PM	#21
Jim Andrada Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Tucson AZ Posts: 2,211	Lookig good!!!! Re damage to the car - I wouldn't hit it with a hammer as these things are diecast and won't deform under shock anything like a sheet metal structure would - and the paint might flake off in strange ways as well. But I guess you could always paint it over with some model paints. You might try putting a couple of pieces of wood in a pair vise grip pliers and squeeze gently to see if you could get it to deform in a reasonable way. You might have to sacrifice a couple of these cars to get something you like. I think if you cut away from the scene really quickly at the end people (normal people that is, not people like us who know how these things are done) would probably be fine with the illusion as it is. I think not leaving them time to think about it at the end is important. Maybe a nice CG explosion with flame and smoke engulfing the car at the end would be just the thing. Turbo Squid, Renderosity, Content Paradise, etc sell CG models of a lot of popular vehicles all ready to stick into your animation. I wish we could get the match box guys to sell CG models as well as the metal ones!

February 8th, 2008, 01:40 PM	#23
Heiko Saele Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Wurzburg, Germany Posts: 316	I immediately thought the first video should be a commercial: Everything is quiet, soothing music, the two cars standing quietly - then the car is turned over and a loud voiceover screams something like "Company XY! Hits you real hard!" Something like that. It has this surprising comedy effect because it moves a little faster than a real car would.

February 8th, 2008, 02:40 PM	#24
Bill Watson Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Noosa Queensland Australia Posts: 248	Great stuff. I think it would look sensational in slo mo though.

February 12th, 2008, 06:10 PM	#26
Jim Andrada Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Tucson AZ Posts: 2,211	Grant, I was thinking about how nice it would be if the car blew up at the end - if it happened quickly enough you wouldn't have time to notice that you were looking at the underside of a model. I had a few minutes to play around last night so I made up a short explosion/fireball/smoke animation in Cinema 4D http://www.j-e-andrada.com/flames.avi This is only 320X240, but if you want it I can send you a hi-res version. Maybe tonight I'll fool with having the doors and wheels blow off and fly through the air. Just having fun!

February 13th, 2008, 09:02 AM	#27
Nick Schale Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Leavenworth, KS Posts: 72	Wow. This is great stuff. Kinda glad I came in when I did. Got to see the entire thing evolve :)

February 15th, 2008, 09:07 AM	#30
Martin Smith Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 66	I added a touch of fire and smoke, had to freeze frame to extend the time a bit, looks kinda goofy with the abrupt stop and lack of sound but fun none the less http://prohosted.com/FlipFire.mov