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Clint Comer · February 17th, 2004, 01:20 AM

Not sure if this is the place for this but if not I am sure it will get moved. I am ready to buy a camera and am wondering if I should still go with the XL-1S or look into one of the HD cams. Obviously there are some limits on money but for around the same price as the XL-1S should I go with HD? Will I have to upgrade my computer for capturing and editing? At the moment all I will be using the cam for is short films and a bit of contract work here and there. Thoughts and opinions would be great. Any problems I would have with HD I would like to know of those as well.
Thanks.

Ken Tanaka · February 17th, 2004, 01:42 AM

Clint,
At this writing there is only one brand of "HD" camera in the consumer/prosumer realm; the JVC. (It's actually HDV, not truly broadcast-level HD.) I assume, perhaps falsely, that you are not considering the purchase of a true high-definition camera such as a Panasonic Varicam or Sony Cinealta (ex: HDW900). A $3,500 XL1s -vs- $65,000-$150,000 choice doesn't seem likely.

Take a browse through our HDV forums to get an idea of the issues involved and the appropriateness of making a move to HDV now. There's a lot of information in there. And, of course, our XL1s forums have an enormous body of information on that camera.

Rob Lohman · February 17th, 2004, 05:19 AM

The best way to pick any camera is to make lists of must have,
nice to have and optional. You don't need HD if you are not going
to broadcast it in HD or are going to output to SD DVD for example.

Ofcourse it might be a good investment for the future, although
more and more HD(V) camera's will become available so if you
don't need it now....

Bill Pryor · February 21st, 2004, 01:27 PM

Also, the JVC consumer HD camera is a single chip camera, while the XL1s is a nice 3-chip camera with 1/3" chips. No matter how transparent the consumer HD format is, it is not going to record anything that is any better than what the camera sees and transmits to the tape. What a single chip consumer camera sees and what a quality camera like the XL1s sees are two different things.

Clint Comer · February 25th, 2004, 12:13 AM

Makes sense. Thanks alot guys.

Clint Comer · February 25th, 2004, 12:31 AM

I'm sorry, how about the 24p cams compared to the XL-1S? Same set of questions.

Rob Lohman · February 25th, 2004, 03:43 PM

Same set of answers as well. Why would you want or need
24p? If that's your thing then go for it. Again, you must make a
list which features are important for you. If you want a removable
lens system for example then there is really only one camera
to choose from in this price range. Same goes for if you really
want 24p. One is not "better" than the other. They are different
"systems" which will not appeal to everybody.

John Gaspain · February 27th, 2004, 05:50 AM

Panasonic GS100k, look into it.

Salim Aziz · March 2nd, 2004, 09:12 AM

JY HD vs XL1S, regardless of the single or 3 ccd, which one does pleased the eyes the most? If so, why has it called High Defination.

To me, HD is far better considering the resolution and extras technical features. If it's just a sales gimmick, please someone explain the different.

February 17th, 2004, 01:20 AM	#1
Clint Comer Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Surprise, AZ Posts: 144	DV or HD Not sure if this is the place for this but if not I am sure it will get moved. I am ready to buy a camera and am wondering if I should still go with the XL-1S or look into one of the HD cams. Obviously there are some limits on money but for around the same price as the XL-1S should I go with HD? Will I have to upgrade my computer for capturing and editing? At the moment all I will be using the cam for is short films and a bit of contract work here and there. Thoughts and opinions would be great. Any problems I would have with HD I would like to know of those as well. Thanks. __________________ Vlog On! http://youtube.com/clintus

February 17th, 2004, 01:42 AM	#2
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	Clint, At this writing there is only one brand of "HD" camera in the consumer/prosumer realm; the JVC. (It's actually HDV, not truly broadcast-level HD.) I assume, perhaps falsely, that you are not considering the purchase of a true high-definition camera such as a Panasonic Varicam or Sony Cinealta (ex: HDW900). A $3,500 XL1s -vs- $65,000-$150,000 choice doesn't seem likely. Take a browse through our HDV forums to get an idea of the issues involved and the appropriateness of making a move to HDV now. There's a lot of information in there. And, of course, our XL1s forums have an enormous body of information on that camera. __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

February 17th, 2004, 05:19 AM	#3
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	The best way to pick any camera is to make lists of must have, nice to have and optional. You don't need HD if you are not going to broadcast it in HD or are going to output to SD DVD for example. Ofcourse it might be a good investment for the future, although more and more HD(V) camera's will become available so if you don't need it now.... __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 25th, 2004, 12:13 AM	#5
Clint Comer Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Surprise, AZ Posts: 144	Makes sense. Thanks alot guys. __________________ Vlog On! http://youtube.com/clintus

February 25th, 2004, 12:31 AM	#6
Clint Comer Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Surprise, AZ Posts: 144	I'm sorry, how about the 24p cams compared to the XL-1S? Same set of questions. __________________ Vlog On! http://youtube.com/clintus

February 21st, 2004, 01:27 PM	#4
Bill Pryor Contributor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 4,449	Also, the JVC consumer HD camera is a single chip camera, while the XL1s is a nice 3-chip camera with 1/3" chips. No matter how transparent the consumer HD format is, it is not going to record anything that is any better than what the camera sees and transmits to the tape. What a single chip consumer camera sees and what a quality camera like the XL1s sees are two different things.

February 25th, 2004, 03:43 PM	#7
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Same set of answers as well. Why would you want or need 24p? If that's your thing then go for it. Again, you must make a list which features are important for you. If you want a removable lens system for example then there is really only one camera to choose from in this price range. Same goes for if you really want 24p. One is not "better" than the other. They are different "systems" which will not appeal to everybody. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 27th, 2004, 05:50 AM	#8
John Gaspain Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: WA-USA Posts: 371	Panasonic GS100k, look into it. __________________ The glory of the World passes by.

March 2nd, 2004, 09:12 AM	#9
Salim Aziz New Boot Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kuala Terengganu, Malaysia Posts: 8	JY HD vs XL1S, regardless of the single or 3 ccd, which one does pleased the eyes the most? If so, why has it called High Defination. To me, HD is far better considering the resolution and extras technical features. If it's just a sales gimmick, please someone explain the different.