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Adam Rench · December 8th, 2004, 12:24 AM

Has anyone used one of these? http://www.d-mpro.com/users/folder.a...4&SubCatID=142

or something similar? I've bought the Sony HDR-FX1 and it has no XLR inputs, only a 1/8" mic input. I can get the Beachtek converter so that I get two XLR inputs, but will I get good enough audio for a indie film?

Rob Lohman · December 8th, 2004, 05:48 AM

Does this device *only* record to CD? (ie, not besides tape).

I would not trust a device to record directly to CD in real-world
film usage where it may be banged around, run with or in some
heavy type of weather (cold, moist etc.). CD recording is a real
precision art and the slightest interference might get you into
problems. I would not trust it personally for things I can do only
once (like recording something with a camera).

However, I've never used such a device in the real-world so
ofcourse it might be really good and work around such issues
etc. However I would probably still record audio to tape or
harddisk for example.

Adam Rench · December 8th, 2004, 12:06 PM

So maybe a DAT recorder would do the trick then? I'm just concerned about audio quality. DATs are analog correct? Or can I, with the right tools, create a 5.1 surround sound using a DAT recorder?

John Britt · December 8th, 2004, 01:52 PM

DAT= Digital Audio Tape. Just like miniDV is digital video recorded onto tape...

Adam Rench · December 9th, 2004, 08:44 AM

ah hah... so that's what that stands for.. excuse my ignorance in that.

that sounds great.

Mark Williams · December 9th, 2004, 11:27 AM

Look at this. Many are very excited about this product. I think it is under $500.

http://www.edirol.com/products/info/r1.html

Regards,

Mark

Adam Rench · December 9th, 2004, 12:38 PM

that looks pretty neat.. i'd have to get XLR adapters though for it right?

Adam Rench · December 9th, 2004, 03:10 PM

Sorry to keep bugging, but what about this thing?

http://www.roland.com/products/en/BR-864/

The guy at the store gave me a quote of $384 for it and it has an XLR input.. only one though.

Joshua Starnes · December 9th, 2004, 04:13 PM

So maybe a DAT recorder would do the trick then? I'm just concerned about audio quality. DATs are analog correct? Or can I, with the right tools, create a 5.1 surround sound using a DAT recorder?

The DAT recorder, like any other audio recorder, is only used to gather the sounds you need. It doesn't have anything to do with how many channels your final project is mixed in. You do that in your computer or at the audio post house you take it to, or whatever you end up using.

You cannot, however, record a 5.1ch soundtrack from your computer to DAT. You're going to have to record it to a specific media that can utilize a 5.1ch signal, like DVD or (I believe) HDCAM, or to blank media that can hold the 5.1ch encoded files, like DVD-R, CD-R, Zip disk, or the like.

Rhett Allen · December 9th, 2004, 04:45 PM

The only problem I've had with CD recording devices is that they only record at 44.1kHz. This is a problem because you then have to either up-convert it to 48k or render the audio while your editing which is a huge PITA! I would go with a DAT recorder or the Beachtek, with the Beachtek being my first choice (because of price and ease of use).
The nicest thing about the portable DAT recorders is that the sound guy isn't tied to your camera and it does make that part of life easier.

December 8th, 2004, 12:24 AM	#1
Adam Rench Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Dallas, Texas, USA Posts: 386	CD audio recorder Has anyone used one of these? http://www.d-mpro.com/users/folder.a...4&SubCatID=142 or something similar? I've bought the Sony HDR-FX1 and it has no XLR inputs, only a 1/8" mic input. I can get the Beachtek converter so that I get two XLR inputs, but will I get good enough audio for a indie film?

December 8th, 2004, 05:48 AM	#2
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Does this device only record to CD? (ie, not besides tape). I would not trust a device to record directly to CD in real-world film usage where it may be banged around, run with or in some heavy type of weather (cold, moist etc.). CD recording is a real precision art and the slightest interference might get you into problems. I would not trust it personally for things I can do only once (like recording something with a camera). However, I've never used such a device in the real-world so ofcourse it might be really good and work around such issues etc. However I would probably still record audio to tape or harddisk for example. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

December 8th, 2004, 12:06 PM	#3
Adam Rench Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Dallas, Texas, USA Posts: 386	So maybe a DAT recorder would do the trick then? I'm just concerned about audio quality. DATs are analog correct? Or can I, with the right tools, create a 5.1 surround sound using a DAT recorder?

December 8th, 2004, 01:52 PM	#4
John Britt Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 621	DAT= Digital Audio Tape. Just like miniDV is digital video recorded onto tape...

December 9th, 2004, 08:44 AM	#5
Adam Rench Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Dallas, Texas, USA Posts: 386	ah hah... so that's what that stands for.. excuse my ignorance in that. that sounds great.

December 9th, 2004, 11:27 AM	#6
Mark Williams Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Deep South, U.S. Posts: 1,526	Look at this. Many are very excited about this product. I think it is under $500. http://www.edirol.com/products/info/r1.html Regards, Mark

December 9th, 2004, 12:38 PM	#7
Adam Rench Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Dallas, Texas, USA Posts: 386	that looks pretty neat.. i'd have to get XLR adapters though for it right?

December 9th, 2004, 03:10 PM	#8
Adam Rench Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Dallas, Texas, USA Posts: 386	Sorry to keep bugging, but what about this thing? http://www.roland.com/products/en/BR-864/ The guy at the store gave me a quote of $384 for it and it has an XLR input.. only one though.

December 9th, 2004, 04:13 PM	#9
Joshua Starnes Major Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 356	So maybe a DAT recorder would do the trick then? I'm just concerned about audio quality. DATs are analog correct? Or can I, with the right tools, create a 5.1 surround sound using a DAT recorder? The DAT recorder, like any other audio recorder, is only used to gather the sounds you need. It doesn't have anything to do with how many channels your final project is mixed in. You do that in your computer or at the audio post house you take it to, or whatever you end up using. You cannot, however, record a 5.1ch soundtrack from your computer to DAT. You're going to have to record it to a specific media that can utilize a 5.1ch signal, like DVD or (I believe) HDCAM, or to blank media that can hold the 5.1ch encoded files, like DVD-R, CD-R, Zip disk, or the like.

December 9th, 2004, 04:45 PM	#10
Rhett Allen Major Player Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 607	The only problem I've had with CD recording devices is that they only record at 44.1kHz. This is a problem because you then have to either up-convert it to 48k or render the audio while your editing which is a huge PITA! I would go with a DAT recorder or the Beachtek, with the Beachtek being my first choice (because of price and ease of use). The nicest thing about the portable DAT recorders is that the sound guy isn't tied to your camera and it does make that part of life easier.