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Brian Drysdale March 18th, 2020 05:39 PM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
Directors do things in different ways, you keep looking for rules, when there's only a basic grammar which you can take and run with.

Paul R Johnson March 19th, 2020 01:29 AM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
Some people have the idea, then the courage, to go in different directions. They trust their own judgement, they know things will work. The team under them respect their judgement.If, at the end of the day, the thing fails badly - the lower levels of the pyramid are unaffected - the person at the top could be, or could ride it.

It's down to that person's ability and stature.

Sadly - irrelevant now really, as we're losing so many of our industry currently with everyone out of work, and the immediate future not good.

Perhaps now is a good time to NOT going into this business.

Ryan Elder March 19th, 2020 06:09 PM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
Yeah it seems the rental stores for equipment are closing lately, but others say I should make a bigger project now and be proud of it and finish it, before the situation gets worse. Do you think they have a point, that it will just get worse later, so I should do it now?

Brian Drysdale March 20th, 2020 01:51 AM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
It really depends, if it was a short it mightn't be an issue, however, if you're shooting over a period of a month, things can change very quick;y. If you find yourself in a hot spot everything can go into shut down.

If you're ready to shoot next week it might be worth having a go, but, if not, the bell curve will come rolling in. Feature films need outside services, so shooting when people are fighting over toilet rolls may not assist you on the resources front Given how poor the advice of some of the people you know actually is, it should be treated with caution

The other thing to consider is if you film is going to appeal in the post COVID-19 market place.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/coron...ch19-1.5502505

"Saskatchewan also declared a state of emergency to tackle COVID-19, and the province's top public health official is urging people to take social distancing seriously. The province announced four new cases Thursday. It banned public gatherings of more than 50 people, said restaurants and bars need to keep half their seats empty, and said businesses that are allowed to remain open — including grocery stores, pharmacies and gas stations — must have processes that maintain "one-to-two-metre" separation. Read more about what's happening in Saskatchewan. "

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saska...sask-1.5502735

Paul R Johnson March 20th, 2020 02:46 AM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
One thing springs to mind - now is the time to get decent professionals to make your movie, bceause they have no work, so if you dangle modest money, they will bite ON YOUR TERMS - so you can ask for specific guaranteed dates, the rental stores will let you have kit cheap and for you, it's an ideal time. People need to feed their families. If you have the budget set aside - they'll love to work for you.

Problem will be the scale and available timescale for you to organise it all.

Josh Bass March 20th, 2020 06:28 AM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
He will, of course have to block his shots so that no one will ever be closer than 10 feet to anyone else, no one can ever touch anything anyone else touches, and every scene will have 20 seconds of hand washing for each character

Paul R Johnson March 20th, 2020 07:32 AM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
That's fine - Ryan is always a long way away so he can use his zoom lens.

Pete Cofrancesco March 20th, 2020 08:11 AM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul R Johnson (Post 1958274)
That's fine - Ryan is always a long way away so he can use his zoom lens.

lol.

I think Ryan will need to replan the entire movie for social distancing

Josh Bass March 20th, 2020 08:13 AM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
perhaps instead of a serial killer its someone who psychologically tortures people to death via Skype

Brian Drysdale March 20th, 2020 08:19 AM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
If he was in Italy he could do a Rear Window version of that.

Josh Bass March 20th, 2020 08:44 AM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
that’s another great idea...perhaps all the characters can yell at each other from opposing balconies.

Pete Cofrancesco March 20th, 2020 08:58 AM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
I’m surprised he hasn’t asked what telephoto lens they used in Rear Window.

I was recently watching MST3K Manos: The Hands of Fate. That movie was made by fertilizer salesman to win a bet he couldn’t film a feature. Made me think of Ryan.

Josh Bass March 20th, 2020 09:14 AM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
Heard of if, never seen it.

Pete Cofrancesco March 20th, 2020 09:19 AM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh Bass (Post 1958280)
Heard of if, never seen it.

Only watch the mst3k version and its so bad i couldn’t watch without skimming through it.

I just saw this it’s hilarious and more to the point. Script Cops

https://www.google.com/search?q=scri...=firefox-b-1-m

Josh Bass March 20th, 2020 09:29 AM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
Im getting a privacy settings error

Pete Cofrancesco March 20th, 2020 09:52 AM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh Bass (Post 1958282)
Im getting a privacy settings error

it doesn’t allow embedding but you can google script cops

Brian Drysdale March 20th, 2020 10:11 AM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete Cofrancesco (Post 1958279)
I’m surprised he hasn’t asked what telephoto lens they used in Rear Window.

LOL That's easy to find: https://www.lookbackandhanker.com/re...-and-lens.html

Pete Cofrancesco March 20th, 2020 11:23 AM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
Ironically the director is the only one who doesn’t look impressed.

Follow up question. Can you use it with BMPCC camera? :p

Brian Drysdale March 20th, 2020 11:51 AM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
If you've got the right mounts ;-)

Paul R Johnson March 20th, 2020 12:41 PM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
That Vimeo clip was brilliant - loved it.


Especially that huge warehouse full of scripts at the end.

Ryan Elder March 20th, 2020 07:07 PM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul R Johnson (Post 1958272)
One thing springs to mind - now is the time to get decent professionals to make your movie, bceause they have no work, so if you dangle modest money, they will bite ON YOUR TERMS - so you can ask for specific guaranteed dates, the rental stores will let you have kit cheap and for you, it's an ideal time. People need to feed their families. If you have the budget set aside - they'll love to work for you.

Problem will be the scale and available timescale for you to organise it all.

Yeah I guess so, but all equipment rental stores are now closed too, so I will have to get the equipment from somewhere else then.

Brian Drysdale March 21st, 2020 01:35 AM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
Professionals may have their own kit, what type will depend on the requirements of the local market. However, if they will expect you to working in a professional manner.

Failing that, you can start on another script and/or check out the online film courses with high end professionals that are either free or offering deals over the next 3 months.

Paul R Johnson March 21st, 2020 02:10 AM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
You're going to have to wait for the virus to go away before you do anything. Look at current broadcast. Peoploe trying to interview at a distance, and reporters suddenly discovering their audio skills can't capture distant audio properly, and everyone standing apart. I'd have thought there's no chance of getting this together for a while, because collecting people together is seen by others as irresponsible. I've seen a couple of worthy events designed for corona isolation people at home fall over because people won't take part.

Brian Drysdale March 21st, 2020 02:13 AM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
Yes, mic booms have come into fashion for TV news reporters.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51943591

Paul R Johnson March 21st, 2020 07:39 AM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
It's also a great training aid in how not to do it when the reporters wave the 414 vaguely in the direction of the interviewee's mouth and miss. One in a factory the other day on the news in the morning managed to miss the mouth and capture the shredding machine in the background.

Ryan Elder March 21st, 2020 11:58 AM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
Well can't they boom by using a really long pole but getting in real close above the frame of the camera?

Paul R Johnson March 21st, 2020 12:18 PM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
No Ryan, they can't. It's difficult for a trained boom op, but these people are journalists, not technicians. Could you hold a boom above your head, and read your notes, and deliver your questions?

Ryan Elder March 21st, 2020 01:47 PM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
Oh I meant when they bring a boom op with them, like you see some journalists have when the press is trying to question someone on the street. Yes, if they don't have a boom op, then they cannot.

Brian Drysdale March 21st, 2020 01:50 PM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
Nor does it matter if the mic is in shot, since the wind shield has a station ID. They also want to be able to ask questions with the same microphone, which is easier in the lower position.

There is no boom operator or sound recordist these days on news, possibly, they might be shooting the news item by themselves using a locked off camera on a tripod. Alternately, they will be working with a one person crew, who operates the camera and sound.

Ryan Elder March 22nd, 2020 01:32 AM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
Oh okay. I've applied to news stations as a boom op before, but I guess if they want one person to do everything...

Brian Drysdale March 22nd, 2020 02:13 AM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
They will either want video journalist or one person camera crew. Applying as a boom operator won't have got you far, since it reveals you don't know much about shooting news. They may have an assistant for the news studio sound mixer, but since that probably just involves putting on tie clip mics, they may let the floor manager or other production person do that.

Ryan Elder March 22nd, 2020 02:19 AM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
Oh okay, but I thought in this time of virus crises they would want a boom operator who could extend the pole from far away rather than having to get up close to the person to put a lav on.

Paul R Johnson March 22nd, 2020 02:40 AM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
Theyre doing this in vox pops, but clearly waving a boom wasnt covered in their audio course, 2 hours one afternoon at uni a few years before. On TV yesterday they did a live show with no audience and used the crew for the audience bits and were short of booms for distancing, so unscrewed the boom from a mic stand and used that! Love it!

Ryan Elder March 22nd, 2020 02:43 AM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
Oh okay. I want to get more work as a boom op if possible but it seems like a real dying art as most people want to use lavs nowadays it seems.

Brian Drysdale March 22nd, 2020 02:43 AM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
In the news studio they can use desk mics, or the person can clip on the mic themselves. Studio interviewees are tending to be done online, so they''re not physically there.

On location the reporter can hold the mic boom. It's all to keep the costs down

Booms are only used on dramas or if there;s a studio audience, where people are asking questions. I suspect you're in the wrong location, unless they make a TV soap in your region or dramas.

Paul R Johnson March 22nd, 2020 03:27 AM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
I thought you gave up on booming as a job role? Blimey you swap a lot. Seriously though, its a rotten job. I always hated it, probably because it's hard work and often painful!

Pete Cofrancesco March 22nd, 2020 06:24 PM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
Ryan is going to
Boom, boom, boom
Even higher than the moon, moon, moon

Ryan Elder March 25th, 2020 02:09 PM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul R Johnson (Post 1958305)
I thought you gave up on booming as a job role? Blimey you swap a lot. Seriously though, its a rotten job. I always hated it, probably because it's hard work and often painful!

Oh well I have the boom pole and audio equipment, and people I work with keep asking me to do it, so I thought I would do it, for projects to be part of, if they keep asking me.

I was thinking from now on I am doing to get a DP for every project. However, in the past when I got DPs, if the DP became unavailable the actors and crew, expected me to take over the DP role. Is that expected of a director, if the DP becomes unavailable on the shoot dates?

Brian Drysdale March 25th, 2020 03:46 PM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
No, you get another DP. It's pretty standard stuff on TV programmes. On dramas it can also happen, but the replacement DP has to match the style of the original one, that's also a key part of the 2nd unit DP's job. They can't do their own thing, everything has to match.

Ryan Elder March 25th, 2020 03:54 PM

Re: At what point do you decide to reveal a twist in a screenplay?
 
Okay thanks, I just don't like having to delay shoot dates while I look for another one. But if that's better, I can do it.


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