AG-HMC150 Regarding Final Cut Express at DVinfo.net

Alex Hawt · October 19th, 2009, 10:51 AM

Hello,
I am currently in the research phase for choosing my new camcorder. I will be working on a macbook pro with final cut express 4.0.1 (everything up to date). The Panasonic AG-HMC150 is my top choice.
I am wondering however will i need to convert video shot with the hmc150 to bring it into FCE? I downloaded some hmc150 test footage and the video was in a .MTS format (an avchd format). FCE nor quicktime would not accept the .mts format and i had to use a program called Voltaic to convert the sample files to a quicktime/fce friendly format.
My question is.. Is this .MTS format what the HMC-150 records in? If not will I be able to bring video files from the camera's card onto my hard drive and edit them in FCE without having to do any conversion?
I do not want to have to fool with any slow conversions to edit my video. Any help with my question would be appreciated.

(I have also been looking at the JVC GY-HM700U which shoots in FCE friendly .mov files. I have downloaded test footage shot with the JVC and i was able to bring the video files into FCE flawlessly. I may go with this camera instead depending on what i hear from you guys on this thread.)

Bob Diaz · October 21st, 2009, 10:30 AM

For conversion to Quicktime, Voltaic does work, but is somewhat slow. I like to use Toast, which is much faster and does about the same job.

FCE (Final Cut Express) is limited to 720/30p and 1080/60i. I assume that if you shoot in 1080/30p, it's converted to 1080/60i.

You have also hit upon the key thing that the JVC camera offers, shooting in Quicktime for Native editing on the Apple; no conversion required. However, this is going to be a trade-off decision, because for about the same price, $3,500 USA, the Panasonic HMC150 is 1/3" CCD, the JVC HM100 is 1/4" CCD.

Low light performance is going to be worse fro the 1/4" image sensor. In looking at the JVC specifications: Minimum illumination: 5lx (typical) (1920x1080 mode, F1.8, +18dB,
with 16-frame accumulation) The 16-frame accumulation sounds like a slow shutter; if so, 60/16 = 3.75 FPS

The Panasonic says: Minimum Luminance: 3 lx (when F1.6, +12dB of gain and 1/25 sec. of shutter speed)

There are other features you'll have to consider and decide which are the most important to you.

Bob Diaz

Alex Hawt · October 24th, 2009, 04:02 PM

thankyou for the advice. you have bee helpful.

Chuck Fadely · October 25th, 2009, 12:28 PM

For normal AVCHD files, you use Log & Transfer in Final Cut Express. It automatically and transparently takes care of everything. You need the whole file structure of the SDHC card from the "Private" folder on down, though - it won't work on just the .mts files.

Alex Hawt · October 26th, 2009, 09:05 AM

so does the hmc150 record in .mts files?

Barry Green · October 27th, 2009, 11:46 AM

Yes it does.

October 19th, 2009, 10:51 AM	#1
Alex Hawt New Boot Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Richmond Virginia Posts: 23	AG-HMC150 Regarding Final Cut Express Hello, I am currently in the research phase for choosing my new camcorder. I will be working on a macbook pro with final cut express 4.0.1 (everything up to date). The Panasonic AG-HMC150 is my top choice. I am wondering however will i need to convert video shot with the hmc150 to bring it into FCE? I downloaded some hmc150 test footage and the video was in a .MTS format (an avchd format). FCE nor quicktime would not accept the .mts format and i had to use a program called Voltaic to convert the sample files to a quicktime/fce friendly format. My question is.. Is this .MTS format what the HMC-150 records in? If not will I be able to bring video files from the camera's card onto my hard drive and edit them in FCE without having to do any conversion? I do not want to have to fool with any slow conversions to edit my video. Any help with my question would be appreciated. (I have also been looking at the JVC GY-HM700U which shoots in FCE friendly .mov files. I have downloaded test footage shot with the JVC and i was able to bring the video files into FCE flawlessly. I may go with this camera instead depending on what i hear from you guys on this thread.)

October 21st, 2009, 10:30 AM	#2
Bob Diaz Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: LA, California Posts: 170	For conversion to Quicktime, Voltaic does work, but is somewhat slow. I like to use Toast, which is much faster and does about the same job. FCE (Final Cut Express) is limited to 720/30p and 1080/60i. I assume that if you shoot in 1080/30p, it's converted to 1080/60i. You have also hit upon the key thing that the JVC camera offers, shooting in Quicktime for Native editing on the Apple; no conversion required. However, this is going to be a trade-off decision, because for about the same price, $3,500 USA, the Panasonic HMC150 is 1/3" CCD, the JVC HM100 is 1/4" CCD. Low light performance is going to be worse fro the 1/4" image sensor. In looking at the JVC specifications: Minimum illumination: 5lx (typical) (1920x1080 mode, F1.8, +18dB, with 16-frame accumulation) The 16-frame accumulation sounds like a slow shutter; if so, 60/16 = 3.75 FPS The Panasonic says: Minimum Luminance: 3 lx (when F1.6, +12dB of gain and 1/25 sec. of shutter speed) There are other features you'll have to consider and decide which are the most important to you. Bob Diaz

October 24th, 2009, 04:02 PM	#3
Alex Hawt New Boot Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Richmond Virginia Posts: 23	thankyou for the advice. you have bee helpful.

October 25th, 2009, 12:28 PM	#4
Chuck Fadely Major Player Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: United States Posts: 306	For normal AVCHD files, you use Log & Transfer in Final Cut Express. It automatically and transparently takes care of everything. You need the whole file structure of the SDHC card from the "Private" folder on down, though - it won't work on just the .mts files.

October 26th, 2009, 09:05 AM	#5
Alex Hawt New Boot Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Richmond Virginia Posts: 23	so does the hmc150 record in .mts files?

October 27th, 2009, 11:46 AM	#6
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	Yes it does.