Operating the GS100K

Patricia Kim · July 28th, 2003, 04:14 AM

Actually, what Eng Yew said makes sense when I struggle through the "hints." Apparently Procinema is a specific configuration: when it's invoked, frame mode is automatically turned on and "bass enhance" is set at +6dB. (Could someone please explain to me what "bass enhance" does for you while shooting?) However, it is also possible to set "record" to either normal or frame. And when you invoke Wide, frame is not precluded. Plus you seem to have choices re bass level of 0, +3 and +6 and apparently (?) can use night view (even though that seems not to be optimum use of the camcorder in 30p mode?). So you must be able to set some other variant of what is automatic if you pick Procinema. If someone can explain the pros and cons of doing that, it would be interesting to know, even if I plan on sticking to point and shoot.

Retraction. Frame mode trumps night view; can't have both at the same time.

Samuel Raj · July 28th, 2003, 10:08 PM

According to Marius Wide mode(16:9) with frame mode is possible?

Patricia, So what do u think,

Wide mode with frame mode (16:9 and 30 f/s)
and

PRo cinema mode with frame mode (16:9 and 30f/s)

Then what is the difference ?

Eng Yew Lee · July 28th, 2003, 11:25 PM

The difference between Wide mode and ProCinema is the film-like gamma.

Michael Struthers · July 29th, 2003, 07:53 AM

I think the 3 features people are interested in are

16x9
30fps
"cinegamma"

I understand you can have 16x9 AND 30fps

Can you do 16x9 AND 30fps AND cinegamma?

Can you do 16x9 AND cinegamma?

Can you do 4x3 AND 30fps?

Can you do 4x3 AND 30fps AND cinegamma?

Just exactly what are the possible configurations?

Thanks guys!

Michael

Marius Burz · July 29th, 2003, 08:10 AM

Can you do 16x9 AND 30fps AND cinegamma?
YES(procinema)

Can you do 16x9 AND cinegamma?
YES, at 30FPS(procinema)

Can you do 4x3 AND 30fps?
YES(never tried, but I think you can)

Can you do 4x3 AND 30fps AND cinegamma?
NO

Being a NTSC camcorder, all shootings are 30fps.
By 30fps I took it as if you would have reffered to 30fps and progressive(frame mode).

Cinegamma is available only in procinema(16:9) or cinema mode(4:3 with black bars on top/bottom which gives a 16:9 like view). Or so I understood.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong with anything.

Allan Rejoso · July 29th, 2003, 08:32 AM

Can you do 4x3 AND 30fps AND cinegamma?

I think you can approximate cinegamma by adjusting the video sharpness and color intensity manually.

Michael Struthers · July 29th, 2003, 10:09 AM

guys for the input. Cinegamma is an panny algorythm that approximates film by attempting to push up the detail in both the blacks AND the light areas...be very difficult to do that manually....and it seems to work for the dvx100.

So if you use 16x9 and 30fps (frame mode) the cinegamma is invoked automatically, eh? So no 16x9 and 30fps WITHOUT cinegamma?

Interesting...

I appreciate your help very much. Not trying to drive you mad...lol...just getting it straight what I'm buying.

Michael

Marius Burz · July 29th, 2003, 10:22 AM

YOU:
So if you use 16x9 and 30fps (frame mode) the cinegamma is invoked automatically, eh? So no 16x9 and 30fps WITHOUT cinegamma?

ME:
Who said that? I didn't say it for one.
My shots are 16:9, 30fps, frame mode and without cinegamma.

To make it clear, procinema means 16:9, 30fps fram mode and cinegamma.

wide mode means 16:9 @ 30fps, and you can select frame mode from menu.

Allan Rejoso · July 29th, 2003, 04:30 PM

wide mode means 16:9 @ 30fps, and you can select frame mode from menu.

Don't think so. Wide mode means 16:9, then you have the option to set recording mode to either normal interlaced or frame (at 30fps). Default is normal interlaced.

Regards

Allan Rejoso · July 29th, 2003, 04:57 PM

Cine-like gamma is not invoked under Cinema mode. In fact, both Wide and Procinema modes are not available under Cinema mode (and vice versa). Both recording modes are available though (Normal and Frame) under Cinema mode.

Unlike Wide and Procinema modes, Cinema mode doesn't widen the horizontal view, but it's the only option for 4:3 TV owners (that includes me) if they want to have the 16:9 look, as video taken under Wide and Procinema modes will be stretched vertically when viewed on 4:3 TV.

Marius Burz · July 29th, 2003, 05:03 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Allan Rejoso : wide mode means 16:9 @ 30fps, and you can select frame mode from menu.

Don't think so. Wide mode means 16:9, then you have the option to set recording mode to either normal interlaced or frame (at 30fps). Default is normal interlaced.
-->>>
Sorry. My mistake. True, it is not 30fps considering that I've intepreted 30fps as being progressive also. I more like reffered to 30fps like the NTSC frame rate, even if interlaced, which is 29.97, so about 30fps.

Allan Rejoso · July 29th, 2003, 05:25 PM

You're still awake Marius.

I just woke up..enjoying my summer holidays!

Marius Burz · July 29th, 2003, 05:49 PM

Still awake Allan... my bed hour is 02:00[AM], so 8 minutes to go.
As about hollydays, I'll have one month off and far from here in less than two weeks :)

Wish you a great time... BTW, I think you'll be missed here...

ciao,
marius

Allan Rejoso · July 29th, 2003, 06:26 PM

We'll just be in Tokyo this year as the company allowed me only a week off... well, that's better than nothing. it's about time to shoot.

Cheers

Samuel Raj · July 30th, 2003, 10:38 AM

Will all these filters make sense?

UV filter
flourescent filter
Polarize filter

and

Wide Angle lens or filter?

UV filter - IS this filter to protect the lens or just to take picture which reduces the bluish UV in the earth while taking the long or wide shot. For me it should make sense,

but about flourescent and polarize, whether useful for gs100k?

Wide Angle lens, covers more area than 16:9?

Any guys using any of these filters in gs 100k and certainly did it make any difference in quality of the stills or video?

July 29th, 2003, 07:53 AM	#34
Michael Struthers Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: SF, Ca Posts: 421	So.... I think the 3 features people are interested in are 16x9 30fps "cinegamma" I understand you can have 16x9 AND 30fps Can you do 16x9 AND 30fps AND cinegamma? Can you do 16x9 AND cinegamma? Can you do 4x3 AND 30fps? Can you do 4x3 AND 30fps AND cinegamma? Just exactly what are the possible configurations? Thanks guys! Michael

July 29th, 2003, 08:10 AM	#35
Marius Burz Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: romania Posts: 52	Re: So.... Can you do 16x9 AND 30fps AND cinegamma? YES(procinema) Can you do 16x9 AND cinegamma? YES, at 30FPS(procinema) Can you do 4x3 AND 30fps? YES(never tried, but I think you can) Can you do 4x3 AND 30fps AND cinegamma? NO Being a NTSC camcorder, all shootings are 30fps. By 30fps I took it as if you would have reffered to 30fps and progressive(frame mode). Cinegamma is available only in procinema(16:9) or cinema mode(4:3 with black bars on top/bottom which gives a 16:9 like view). Or so I understood. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong with anything.

July 29th, 2003, 10:09 AM	#37
Michael Struthers Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: SF, Ca Posts: 421	thanks guys for the input. Cinegamma is an panny algorythm that approximates film by attempting to push up the detail in both the blacks AND the light areas...be very difficult to do that manually....and it seems to work for the dvx100. So if you use 16x9 and 30fps (frame mode) the cinegamma is invoked automatically, eh? So no 16x9 and 30fps WITHOUT cinegamma? Interesting... I appreciate your help very much. Not trying to drive you mad...lol...just getting it straight what I'm buying. Michael

July 29th, 2003, 10:22 AM	#38
Marius Burz Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: romania Posts: 52	Re: thanks YOU: So if you use 16x9 and 30fps (frame mode) the cinegamma is invoked automatically, eh? So no 16x9 and 30fps WITHOUT cinegamma? ME: Who said that? I didn't say it for one. My shots are 16:9, 30fps, frame mode and without cinegamma. To make it clear, procinema means 16:9, 30fps fram mode and cinegamma. wide mode means 16:9 @ 30fps, and you can select frame mode from menu.

July 30th, 2003, 10:38 AM	#45
Samuel Raj Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 210	Whether wide angle filter helps producing wide angle Will all these filters make sense? UV filter flourescent filter Polarize filter and Wide Angle lens or filter? UV filter - IS this filter to protect the lens or just to take picture which reduces the bluish UV in the earth while taking the long or wide shot. For me it should make sense, but about flourescent and polarize, whether useful for gs100k? Wide Angle lens, covers more area than 16:9? Any guys using any of these filters in gs 100k and certainly did it make any difference in quality of the stills or video?

July 28th, 2003, 04:14 AM	#31
Patricia Kim Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Honolulu, Hawaii Posts: 453	Actually, what Eng Yew said makes sense when I struggle through the "hints." Apparently Procinema is a specific configuration: when it's invoked, frame mode is automatically turned on and "bass enhance" is set at +6dB. (Could someone please explain to me what "bass enhance" does for you while shooting?) However, it is also possible to set "record" to either normal or frame. And when you invoke Wide, frame is not precluded. Plus you seem to have choices re bass level of 0, +3 and +6 and apparently (?) can use night view (even though that seems not to be optimum use of the camcorder in 30p mode?). So you must be able to set some other variant of what is automatic if you pick Procinema. If someone can explain the pros and cons of doing that, it would be interesting to know, even if I plan on sticking to point and shoot. Retraction. Frame mode trumps night view; can't have both at the same time.

July 28th, 2003, 10:08 PM	#32
Samuel Raj Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 210	According to Marius Wide mode(16:9) with frame mode is possible? Patricia, So what do u think, Wide mode with frame mode (16:9 and 30 f/s) and PRo cinema mode with frame mode (16:9 and 30f/s) Then what is the difference ?

July 28th, 2003, 11:25 PM	#33
Eng Yew Lee Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Castro Valley, CA, USA Posts: 32	The difference between Wide mode and ProCinema is the film-like gamma.

July 29th, 2003, 08:32 AM	#36
Allan Rejoso Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 569	Can you do 4x3 AND 30fps AND cinegamma? I think you can approximate cinegamma by adjusting the video sharpness and color intensity manually.

July 29th, 2003, 04:30 PM	#39
Allan Rejoso Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 569	wide mode means 16:9 @ 30fps, and you can select frame mode from menu. Don't think so. Wide mode means 16:9, then you have the option to set recording mode to either normal interlaced or frame (at 30fps). Default is normal interlaced. Regards

July 29th, 2003, 04:57 PM	#40
Allan Rejoso Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 569	Cine-like gamma is not invoked under Cinema mode. In fact, both Wide and Procinema modes are not available under Cinema mode (and vice versa). Both recording modes are available though (Normal and Frame) under Cinema mode. Unlike Wide and Procinema modes, Cinema mode doesn't widen the horizontal view, but it's the only option for 4:3 TV owners (that includes me) if they want to have the 16:9 look, as video taken under Wide and Procinema modes will be stretched vertically when viewed on 4:3 TV.

July 29th, 2003, 05:03 PM	#41
Marius Burz Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: romania Posts: 52	<<<-- Originally posted by Allan Rejoso : wide mode means 16:9 @ 30fps, and you can select frame mode from menu. Don't think so. Wide mode means 16:9, then you have the option to set recording mode to either normal interlaced or frame (at 30fps). Default is normal interlaced. -->>> Sorry. My mistake. True, it is not 30fps considering that I've intepreted 30fps as being progressive also. I more like reffered to 30fps like the NTSC frame rate, even if interlaced, which is 29.97, so about 30fps.

July 29th, 2003, 05:25 PM	#42
Allan Rejoso Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 569	You're still awake Marius. I just woke up..enjoying my summer holidays!

July 29th, 2003, 05:49 PM	#43
Marius Burz Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: romania Posts: 52	Still awake Allan... my bed hour is 02:00[AM], so 8 minutes to go. As about hollydays, I'll have one month off and far from here in less than two weeks :) Wish you a great time... BTW, I think you'll be missed here... ciao, marius

July 29th, 2003, 06:26 PM	#44
Allan Rejoso Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 569	We'll just be in Tokyo this year as the company allowed me only a week off... well, that's better than nothing. it's about time to shoot. Cheers