Which mic is better...

Justin Boyle · January 13th, 2004, 07:27 PM

Frank if you can find the mic that i talked about in my other thread i think you will like it. The sounds it produces is very true and realistic. You will mainly only get the sounds that are in front of you as it is directional. It doesn't seem as loud as the stereo mic when you have ur headphones plugged into your camera because it is only mono and works only one channel in the camera. Playback however comes through both channels when plugged into the tv. It definately has better sound then the standard mic and the only camera noise it might pic up is the sound of the camera putting the tapes on the head for start and stop of play or recording. It also comes with a shoe mount. I will put a pic of my set up sometime.
It will be at http://www.geocities.com/sniper_y2k/camera.html
don't check it for the next little while though
wont be up there

Justin

Justin Boyle · January 13th, 2004, 08:03 PM

sorry stuffed that one up
heres the real one
the pic is up
http://www.geocities.com/sniper_y2k2000/camera.html

good luck
justin

Frank Granovski · January 13th, 2004, 08:30 PM

That's the JVC MZ-320 "super directional" mic?

Justin Boyle · January 13th, 2004, 08:40 PM

yes as you can see it looks very nice on cam and even if i thought it sounded worse i would probably just leave it on there and disconnect it just because it makes the camera look more professional. I am happy with it though. it has good crisp sounds. perhaps the only problem is it is limited on the lower frequencys perhaps not as strong as the higher frequencies. for general applications you don't get much of the lower frequency's it is generally only with music you might see the problem but if you want to record any music well then you need to spend decent money on a mic. As has already been said, even if you get an expensive mic, the gains are only small and often you still wont be happy.

justin

Yow Cheong Hoe · January 13th, 2004, 08:51 PM

Hmm... I like the side profile photo of the cam with the mic. I'll take a side picture of my MX350 with the Fuji 0.8x Wide angle and my Azden 990 (read: cheap but functional) mic on a tripod. Good for publicity, too.

Bryan Beasleigh · January 13th, 2004, 11:58 PM

Hot shoe clamp is bad. hot shoe shock mount = good. if you aren't in a hurry I'll try it on my TRV20. The mic is $99, they'll swing the $10.

The closest to a for real zoom mic is one with a variable polar pattern (big bucks) or a mic with interchangeable capsules.

A shotgun will colour off axis, a hypercardoid won't colour the off axis to the same degree. the near or slightly off axis will still be useable.

A cardoid will be directional but not as much. In a way a cardoid is better in that it doesn't have that rear sensitivety. The sides are attenuated but theres a boost at the rear of the mic.

Frank Granovski · January 14th, 2004, 12:14 AM

Bryan, which hot shoe shock mount should I get, and where can I buy it?

Frank Granovski · January 14th, 2004, 11:18 PM

Bryan is working at finding a good hot-shoe shock mount for the Apex 191 mic. He's working on the case and since wrote:

Quote:

I didn't forget about it Frank. I was trying to find the most cost effective that would fit on a camera.

They're both $40 at B&H but I was wondering if they'd be too long

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=108256&is=REG

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=194397&is=REG

the AT 8415 would be better but it's bigger, $50 and it needs a $10 adapter to fit a camera shoe.

The Sabra Som is only $40 canadian at Long & McQuade and it would do the best job. It's a tad large and it would need the AT adapter $14 can $10 US.

http://www.sabrasom.com.br/ing/SSM1.htm

...just to keep us MX mic seekers updated. :-))

Bogdan Vaglarov · January 15th, 2004, 12:08 PM

Here I’m posting some links in English and Japanese for AT shock mounts and stereo mics.

AT shock mounts: http://www.audio-technica.com/guide/...nts/index.html
AT822 specs: http://www.audio-technica.com/prodpr...les/AT822.html
Stereo camera mic from AT:
HP in English: http://www.audio-technica.com/guide/line/atr/ATR25.html
HP in Japanese: http://www.audio-technica.co.jp/prod...ic/at9450.html (seems same mic with different name)
This is 2-pattern (cardioid/supercardioid): http://www.audio-technica.co.jp/prod...ic/at9350.html (page in Japanese but numbers speak for themselves)
List of AT stereo and gun mics at a glance (Japanese) - CHECK BOXES No 3 and 4 from up and press the widest button down: http://www.audio-technica.co.jp/search/b.html

And this is the mic I have: http://www.audio-technica.co.jp/prod...ic/at9440.html - very nice small but rigid. Very clear crisp sound, but it seems it peaks up quite a bit from the background ambience. I guess it’s stereo field is at 120 degrees (you can see the polar pattern of the AT822 – should be very similar).
Don’t know about availability in USA/Canada though.

Yow Cheong Hoe · January 15th, 2004, 07:08 PM

You'll probably not need a shock mount for a camera mounted mic - the way I look at it is that the sound from a camera mounted mic is not expected to be studio clean.

Bryan Beasleigh · January 17th, 2004, 02:09 PM

The ATR25 mic that Bogdan mentioned would certainly worth a look. The mount that's included would be worse than useless. I'd trust Audio technica to come up with something low cost and decent before any camera manufacturer.

The 8415 shock mount is a nice mount but pretty big. it's $50 and you'd need a shoe mount that cost $10. That mount can be used on camera and boom poles as well.]

Yes, you would definetly need a shockmount on camera. Every finger tap and movement would come through as well as the camera zoom.

January 13th, 2004, 07:27 PM	#16
Justin Boyle Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 207	Frank if you can find the mic that i talked about in my other thread i think you will like it. The sounds it produces is very true and realistic. You will mainly only get the sounds that are in front of you as it is directional. It doesn't seem as loud as the stereo mic when you have ur headphones plugged into your camera because it is only mono and works only one channel in the camera. Playback however comes through both channels when plugged into the tv. It definately has better sound then the standard mic and the only camera noise it might pic up is the sound of the camera putting the tapes on the head for start and stop of play or recording. It also comes with a shoe mount. I will put a pic of my set up sometime. It will be at http://www.geocities.com/sniper_y2k/camera.html don't check it for the next little while though wont be up there Justin __________________ jlboyle

January 13th, 2004, 08:03 PM	#17
Justin Boyle Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 207	sorry stuffed that one up heres the real one the pic is up http://www.geocities.com/sniper_y2k2000/camera.html good luck justin __________________ jlboyle

January 13th, 2004, 08:40 PM	#19
Justin Boyle Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 207	yes as you can see it looks very nice on cam and even if i thought it sounded worse i would probably just leave it on there and disconnect it just because it makes the camera look more professional. I am happy with it though. it has good crisp sounds. perhaps the only problem is it is limited on the lower frequencys perhaps not as strong as the higher frequencies. for general applications you don't get much of the lower frequency's it is generally only with music you might see the problem but if you want to record any music well then you need to spend decent money on a mic. As has already been said, even if you get an expensive mic, the gains are only small and often you still wont be happy. justin __________________ jlboyle

January 13th, 2004, 08:51 PM	#20
Yow Cheong Hoe Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Singapore, Passport: Malaysia Posts: 407	Hmm... I like the side profile photo of the cam with the mic. I'll take a side picture of my MX350 with the Fuji 0.8x Wide angle and my Azden 990 (read: cheap but functional) mic on a tripod. Good for publicity, too. __________________ Cam: Panasonic MX350EN, SOLD my MX8EN Mac: G3 400MHz PowerBook, 256 MB, OS 9 PC: Pentium 4 2800MHz, 512 MB, WindowsXP SW: iMovie, Final Cut Pro, Adobe Premiere, Ulead Video Studio, various little utilities

January 13th, 2004, 08:30 PM	#18
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	That's the JVC MZ-320 "super directional" mic?

January 13th, 2004, 11:58 PM	#21
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	Hot shoe clamp is bad. hot shoe shock mount = good. if you aren't in a hurry I'll try it on my TRV20. The mic is $99, they'll swing the $10. The closest to a for real zoom mic is one with a variable polar pattern (big bucks) or a mic with interchangeable capsules. A shotgun will colour off axis, a hypercardoid won't colour the off axis to the same degree. the near or slightly off axis will still be useable. A cardoid will be directional but not as much. In a way a cardoid is better in that it doesn't have that rear sensitivety. The sides are attenuated but theres a boost at the rear of the mic.

January 14th, 2004, 12:14 AM	#22
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Bryan, which hot shoe shock mount should I get, and where can I buy it?

January 15th, 2004, 12:08 PM	#24
Bogdan Vaglarov Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 366	Here I’m posting some links in English and Japanese for AT shock mounts and stereo mics. AT shock mounts: http://www.audio-technica.com/guide/...nts/index.html AT822 specs: http://www.audio-technica.com/prodpr...les/AT822.html Stereo camera mic from AT: HP in English: http://www.audio-technica.com/guide/line/atr/ATR25.html HP in Japanese: http://www.audio-technica.co.jp/prod...ic/at9450.html (seems same mic with different name) This is 2-pattern (cardioid/supercardioid): http://www.audio-technica.co.jp/prod...ic/at9350.html (page in Japanese but numbers speak for themselves) List of AT stereo and gun mics at a glance (Japanese) - CHECK BOXES No 3 and 4 from up and press the widest button down: http://www.audio-technica.co.jp/search/b.html And this is the mic I have: http://www.audio-technica.co.jp/prod...ic/at9440.html - very nice small but rigid. Very clear crisp sound, but it seems it peaks up quite a bit from the background ambience. I guess it’s stereo field is at 120 degrees (you can see the polar pattern of the AT822 – should be very similar). Don’t know about availability in USA/Canada though.

January 15th, 2004, 07:08 PM	#25
Yow Cheong Hoe Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Singapore, Passport: Malaysia Posts: 407	You'll probably not need a shock mount for a camera mounted mic - the way I look at it is that the sound from a camera mounted mic is not expected to be studio clean.

January 17th, 2004, 02:09 PM	#26
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	The ATR25 mic that Bogdan mentioned would certainly worth a look. The mount that's included would be worse than useless. I'd trust Audio technica to come up with something low cost and decent before any camera manufacturer. The 8415 shock mount is a nice mount but pretty big. it's $50 and you'd need a shoe mount that cost $10. That mount can be used on camera and boom poles as well.] Yes, you would definetly need a shockmount on camera. Every finger tap and movement would come through as well as the camera zoom.