GS400 vs DVC30 at DVinfo.net

Ed Szarleta · August 24th, 2004, 09:57 AM

Besides the 1/4.7 inch CCD vs the 1/4 CCD and the ability to add XLR inputs, any other major differences between these two cams?

Does the GS400 do 16x9 at higher resolution? I assume the frame modes and Cine Gamma features of these two cams are the same?

Any input would be appreciated...thanks!

Tommy Haupfear · August 24th, 2004, 12:29 PM

Low light difference will definitely be noticeable between these two cams with the DVC30 taking all the glory. The GS400 has a vastly superior 16:9 mode as Kaku Ito has shown many times in this board.

Most choose the DVC30 for the XLRs, low light peformance, IR night vision, and nice 16x optical zoom.

I would get a DVC30 to compliment my DVX100A but 16:9 is important to me and the GS400 easily wins in that department. If I was strictly 4:3 then it would be DVC30 as it shares the same battery as the DVX100A.

Ed Szarleta · August 24th, 2004, 01:26 PM

Pretty much what I thought, but thanks for the confirmation...for me, 16x9 is important to me, but if the cam is not progressive and does not use the full ccd for 16x9, it's a problem, thus the dvc30 would be a problem...especailly since no anamorphic full zoom through adapter is available for it...maybe a GL2 is my answer.

Tommy Haupfear · August 24th, 2004, 02:01 PM

Ed, why not the GS400?

Why would you choose the GL2 for 16:9 work?

Gary Garner · August 24th, 2004, 02:08 PM

<<<-- ... maybe a GL2 is my answer. -->>>

Maybe an XL2 ??

Ed Szarleta · August 24th, 2004, 03:17 PM

Because you can purchase a Zoom Through 16x9 adapter from Century for it.

Gary Garner · August 24th, 2004, 03:33 PM

The Century adapter (58mm) is not full zoom through. Native 16:9 on the GS400 should be better than using the 16:9 adapter for the GL2 IMO--and a lot cheaper.

Ed Szarleta · August 24th, 2004, 03:50 PM

They do have a zoom through adapter...it's fairly new, but it does exsist...part number DS-WS13-GL

Gary Garner · August 24th, 2004, 04:05 PM

Must have missed that one. Nice piece of glass - but you could have a GS400 for the same $. You could also mount the adapter on the DVC30 with a step up ring.

Ed Szarleta · August 24th, 2004, 04:10 PM

I suppose i could buy the 58MM Thread Zoom through version with step up ring for the DVC, but I don't know how well that would work...I prefer bayonette mounts for these type of devices...i used to have the non zoom through version for my PD150 that was threaded and I had all sorts of alignment issues.

Tommy Haupfear · August 24th, 2004, 04:45 PM

That 1.33 anamorphic adapter was mentioned as far back as January of this year but I have yet to see it in stock anywhere. That and the price is steep! You could get a DVX100A for the price of the 1.33 anamorphic adapter and a GL2.

Allan Rejoso · August 25th, 2004, 07:55 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Tommy Haupfear : Low light difference will definitely be noticeable between these two cams with the DVC30 taking all the glory. The GS400 has a vastly superior 16:9 mode as Kaku Ito has shown many times in this board.

Tommy, I just got the Sept 2004 issue of Digital Video (a Japanese magazine) and marveling at the sample film-like videos (same scenes, approx. 2.5 minutes each) taken using your DVX100A, GS400, PC350 and the XL2. While the huge difference in low-light performance between the 1/3 chippers and the GS400 is highly expected, I find it very surprising that under very good light, GS400 Procinema appears to be of higher resolution than the DVX100A. Is that supposed to be the case? In any case, you've got one awesome cam! (this is the first time I saw a video clip of a DVX100A shot by a pro)

I think it would help you make up your mind whether you can really live with the GS400 low-light if you could see these samples.

Tommy Haupfear · August 25th, 2004, 08:19 AM

Wow, that be nice to see a pro comparison! Do these magazines ship with a DVD? Maybe you could send me a copy when I get around to mailing that payment for the hotshoe of the GS100?

Carlos E. Martinez · August 25th, 2004, 04:39 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Allan Rejoso : sample film-like videos (same scenes, approx. 2.5 minutes each) taken using your DVX100A, GS400, PC350 and the XL2. While the huge difference in low-light performance between the 1/3 chippers and the GS400 is highly expected, I find it very surprising that under very good light, GS400 Procinema appears to be of higher resolution than the DVX100A. Is that supposed to be the case? In any case, you've got one awesome cam! (this is the first time I saw a video clip of a DVX100A shot by a pro)

I think it would help you make up your mind whether you can really live with the GS400 low-light if you could see these samples. -->>>

Why the comparison to a Sony PC350 and not with an HC1000, which should be perhaps more interesting for being closer in general resolution?

Where can we see those comparisons?

Carlos

Allan Rejoso · August 25th, 2004, 06:14 PM

Yes Tommy, these heavy magazines come with DVD, but you don't have to get the magazine as it is all in Japanese. I can send you a copy of the avi files (500MB each - for your own keeping - nothing illegal about that right? :-)) to make it worth the $10 mailing of your hot shoe@:-)

Hi Carlos. Have you bought your new cam? The comparison is made with the PC350 because it has cinelike mode (24P take note!) whilst the HC1000 does NOT have it. The comparisons are stored in a DVD that came with a Japanese video mag.

August 24th, 2004, 09:57 AM	#1
Ed Szarleta Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 156	GS400 vs DVC30 Besides the 1/4.7 inch CCD vs the 1/4 CCD and the ability to add XLR inputs, any other major differences between these two cams? Does the GS400 do 16x9 at higher resolution? I assume the frame modes and Cine Gamma features of these two cams are the same? Any input would be appreciated...thanks!

August 24th, 2004, 01:26 PM	#3
Ed Szarleta Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 156	DVX30 VS GS400 Pretty much what I thought, but thanks for the confirmation...for me, 16x9 is important to me, but if the cam is not progressive and does not use the full ccd for 16x9, it's a problem, thus the dvc30 would be a problem...especailly since no anamorphic full zoom through adapter is available for it...maybe a GL2 is my answer.

August 24th, 2004, 02:08 PM	#5
Gary Garner New Boot Join Date: May 2004 Location: Mendota Heights, MN Posts: 19	Re: DVX30 VS GS400 <<<-- ... maybe a GL2 is my answer. -->>> Maybe an XL2 ??

August 24th, 2004, 03:17 PM	#6
Ed Szarleta Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 156	Why GL2 Because you can purchase a Zoom Through 16x9 adapter from Century for it.

August 24th, 2004, 03:50 PM	#8
Ed Szarleta Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 156	16X9 GL2 Adapter They do have a zoom through adapter...it's fairly new, but it does exsist...part number DS-WS13-GL

August 24th, 2004, 12:29 PM	#2
Tommy Haupfear Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 1,415	Low light difference will definitely be noticeable between these two cams with the DVC30 taking all the glory. The GS400 has a vastly superior 16:9 mode as Kaku Ito has shown many times in this board. Most choose the DVC30 for the XLRs, low light peformance, IR night vision, and nice 16x optical zoom. I would get a DVC30 to compliment my DVX100A but 16:9 is important to me and the GS400 easily wins in that department. If I was strictly 4:3 then it would be DVC30 as it shares the same battery as the DVX100A.

August 24th, 2004, 02:01 PM	#4
Tommy Haupfear Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 1,415	Ed, why not the GS400? Why would you choose the GL2 for 16:9 work?

August 24th, 2004, 03:33 PM	#7
Gary Garner New Boot Join Date: May 2004 Location: Mendota Heights, MN Posts: 19	The Century adapter (58mm) is not full zoom through. Native 16:9 on the GS400 should be better than using the 16:9 adapter for the GL2 IMO--and a lot cheaper.

August 24th, 2004, 04:05 PM	#9
Gary Garner New Boot Join Date: May 2004 Location: Mendota Heights, MN Posts: 19	Must have missed that one. Nice piece of glass - but you could have a GS400 for the same $. You could also mount the adapter on the DVC30 with a step up ring.

August 24th, 2004, 04:10 PM	#10
Ed Szarleta Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 156	Adapter I suppose i could buy the 58MM Thread Zoom through version with step up ring for the DVC, but I don't know how well that would work...I prefer bayonette mounts for these type of devices...i used to have the non zoom through version for my PD150 that was threaded and I had all sorts of alignment issues.

August 24th, 2004, 04:45 PM	#11
Tommy Haupfear Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 1,415	That 1.33 anamorphic adapter was mentioned as far back as January of this year but I have yet to see it in stock anywhere. That and the price is steep! You could get a DVX100A for the price of the 1.33 anamorphic adapter and a GL2.

August 25th, 2004, 07:55 AM	#12
Allan Rejoso Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 569	<<<-- Originally posted by Tommy Haupfear : Low light difference will definitely be noticeable between these two cams with the DVC30 taking all the glory. The GS400 has a vastly superior 16:9 mode as Kaku Ito has shown many times in this board. Tommy, I just got the Sept 2004 issue of Digital Video (a Japanese magazine) and marveling at the sample film-like videos (same scenes, approx. 2.5 minutes each) taken using your DVX100A, GS400, PC350 and the XL2. While the huge difference in low-light performance between the 1/3 chippers and the GS400 is highly expected, I find it very surprising that under very good light, GS400 Procinema appears to be of higher resolution than the DVX100A. Is that supposed to be the case? In any case, you've got one awesome cam! (this is the first time I saw a video clip of a DVX100A shot by a pro) I think it would help you make up your mind whether you can really live with the GS400 low-light if you could see these samples.

August 25th, 2004, 08:19 AM	#13
Tommy Haupfear Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 1,415	Wow, that be nice to see a pro comparison! Do these magazines ship with a DVD? Maybe you could send me a copy when I get around to mailing that payment for the hotshoe of the GS100?

August 25th, 2004, 04:39 PM	#14
Carlos E. Martinez Trustee Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Posts: 1,138	<<<-- Originally posted by Allan Rejoso : sample film-like videos (same scenes, approx. 2.5 minutes each) taken using your DVX100A, GS400, PC350 and the XL2. While the huge difference in low-light performance between the 1/3 chippers and the GS400 is highly expected, I find it very surprising that under very good light, GS400 Procinema appears to be of higher resolution than the DVX100A. Is that supposed to be the case? In any case, you've got one awesome cam! (this is the first time I saw a video clip of a DVX100A shot by a pro) I think it would help you make up your mind whether you can really live with the GS400 low-light if you could see these samples. -->>> Why the comparison to a Sony PC350 and not with an HC1000, which should be perhaps more interesting for being closer in general resolution? Where can we see those comparisons? Carlos

August 25th, 2004, 06:14 PM	#15
Allan Rejoso Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 569	Yes Tommy, these heavy magazines come with DVD, but you don't have to get the magazine as it is all in Japanese. I can send you a copy of the avi files (500MB each - for your own keeping - nothing illegal about that right? :-)) to make it worth the $10 mailing of your hot shoe@:-) Hi Carlos. Have you bought your new cam? The comparison is made with the PC350 because it has cinelike mode (24P take note!) whilst the HC1000 does NOT have it. The comparisons are stored in a DVD that came with a Japanese video mag.