shooting 16:9 with GS120 at DVinfo.net

Tim Borek · July 27th, 2005, 08:51 AM

I suspected that footage shot in THIN mode could be expanded in my NLE as 16:9. To my eyes, it looks promising! First, I created a new project set to a 16:9 aspect ratio. Then, I imported the clip shot in THIN mode. When I viewed the footage in my NLE, it no longer had the horizonally compressed look that it did in the camcorder viewfinder. So I transcoded the short clip to DVD MPEG2 and burned a disc in DVD MovieFactory 2SE (which didn't let me choose an aspect ration, BTW). I made the clip a first-play/autoplay with no menus so it would start playing as soon as its inserted into the DVD player. When the DVD started playing, it looked great -- the DVD player letterboxed it so I could view the full "widescreen" frame on my 4:3 screen.

How can I measure to know if I am looking at a 16:9 image? All the vertical resolution is there (unlike shooting in the GS120's Cinema mode), but the frame is much wider. Has anyone else tried this? I normally don't mess with in-camera effects, but to me shooting 16:9 video isn't an effect -- it's more of a broader palette on which to tell our stories. I don't know if the THIN mode creates a squeezed image at true 16:9, but it looks good and saves the expense of a 16:9 converter lens -- I think the Century Optics 37mm lens costs around $350. I was so thrilled that I shot my mother-in-law's birthday party in THIN mode. I can't wait to start editing that. It will be nice to give people 16:9 video, especially with digital widescreen TVs now mainstream.

Too bad my DVC80 can't do this :( To give my wedding clients widescreen video, I need to use the $700 anamorphic adapter.

Chase Davis · July 27th, 2005, 04:32 PM

With my 120, I shoot with "Cinema mode" AND "Slim mode" on. When editing, I set it to 16:9 with a 1.0 Square Pixel. I also use a 37mm wideangle Raynox lens I bought off eBay for about 20 bucks, but I don't think its necessary.

Tim Borek · July 28th, 2005, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chase Davis

With my 120, I shoot with "Cinema mode" AND "Slim mode" on. When editing, I set it to 16:9 with a 1.0 Square Pixel. I also use a 37mm wideangle Raynox lens I bought off eBay for about 20 bucks, but I don't think its necessary.

By shooting in Cinema mode with Slim effect on, you're letterboxing video that's already going to be letterboxed when viewed on a 4:3 display, which looks horrible in my opinion. Why give up all those pixels? To each his own, I guess...

Mike Legel · July 28th, 2005, 02:52 PM

I also do not use effects on my camera. Is the slim mode you all are referring to an effect? If so which menu is used to access it? Don't have my camera near by or I would check.

I have always assumed the effects were merely fades or some of the cheesey transitions built into the camera, are there others worth using or at least considering?

I appreciate any input.

Bennis Hahn · July 28th, 2005, 03:18 PM

Slim mode will let you make a 16:9 DVD, but you loose about the same amount to resolution as masking (in camera cinema mode), and the frame does not get a wider field of view.

The plus is that the DVD will play back letterboxed on a 4:3 TV screen, and full screen on a 16:9 screen (not stretched or pillar boxed).

Joshua Provost · July 28th, 2005, 04:42 PM

The wider angle of view is the key. If you aren't getting a wider angle of view in your "16:9 mode," than there is no advantage to it.

Guy Bruner · July 28th, 2005, 08:11 PM

Tim,
I suspect you are referring to SLIM mode when you say "THIN" mode. Yes, this is an anamorphic 16:9 frame. But, the pixel aspect ratio is not changed from 4:3. So, you have to stretch the video with your editing software.

I use SLIM mode quite a bit to match my GS400's wide mode. It loses a bit of resolution as compared to the GS400, but matches up really well. The advantage to it is that you don't have to crop the video to get the widescreen look.

Tim Borek · July 29th, 2005, 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Legel

I also do not use effects on my camera. Is the slim mode you all are referring to an effect? If so which menu is used to access it? Don't have my camera near by or I would check.

Mike, it's under Effect 1 in the menu, I believe.

July 27th, 2005, 08:51 AM	#1
Tim Borek Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Westfield, IN Posts: 353	shooting 16:9 with GS120 I suspected that footage shot in THIN mode could be expanded in my NLE as 16:9. To my eyes, it looks promising! First, I created a new project set to a 16:9 aspect ratio. Then, I imported the clip shot in THIN mode. When I viewed the footage in my NLE, it no longer had the horizonally compressed look that it did in the camcorder viewfinder. So I transcoded the short clip to DVD MPEG2 and burned a disc in DVD MovieFactory 2SE (which didn't let me choose an aspect ration, BTW). I made the clip a first-play/autoplay with no menus so it would start playing as soon as its inserted into the DVD player. When the DVD started playing, it looked great -- the DVD player letterboxed it so I could view the full "widescreen" frame on my 4:3 screen. How can I measure to know if I am looking at a 16:9 image? All the vertical resolution is there (unlike shooting in the GS120's Cinema mode), but the frame is much wider. Has anyone else tried this? I normally don't mess with in-camera effects, but to me shooting 16:9 video isn't an effect -- it's more of a broader palette on which to tell our stories. I don't know if the THIN mode creates a squeezed image at true 16:9, but it looks good and saves the expense of a 16:9 converter lens -- I think the Century Optics 37mm lens costs around $350. I was so thrilled that I shot my mother-in-law's birthday party in THIN mode. I can't wait to start editing that. It will be nice to give people 16:9 video, especially with digital widescreen TVs now mainstream. Too bad my DVC80 can't do this :( To give my wedding clients widescreen video, I need to use the $700 anamorphic adapter.

July 27th, 2005, 04:32 PM	#2
Chase Davis New Boot Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 14	With my 120, I shoot with "Cinema mode" AND "Slim mode" on. When editing, I set it to 16:9 with a 1.0 Square Pixel. I also use a 37mm wideangle Raynox lens I bought off eBay for about 20 bucks, but I don't think its necessary. __________________ 3chip Panasonic Liberal College Student "I'm a big deal in Mexico."

July 28th, 2005, 02:52 PM	#4
Mike Legel Tourist Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Downers Grove, Illinois Posts: 2	Slim Mode Access I also do not use effects on my camera. Is the slim mode you all are referring to an effect? If so which menu is used to access it? Don't have my camera near by or I would check. I have always assumed the effects were merely fades or some of the cheesey transitions built into the camera, are there others worth using or at least considering? I appreciate any input.

July 28th, 2005, 04:42 PM	#6
Joshua Provost Major Player Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 493	The wider angle of view is the key. If you aren't getting a wider angle of view in your "16:9 mode," than there is no advantage to it. __________________ Owner/Operator, 727 Records Co-Founder, Matter of Chance Productions Blogger, Try Avoidance

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July 28th, 2005, 03:18 PM	#5
Bennis Hahn Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 221	Slim mode will let you make a 16:9 DVD, but you loose about the same amount to resolution as masking (in camera cinema mode), and the frame does not get a wider field of view. The plus is that the DVD will play back letterboxed on a 4:3 TV screen, and full screen on a 16:9 screen (not stretched or pillar boxed).

July 28th, 2005, 08:11 PM	#7
Guy Bruner Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ashford, AL Posts: 937	Tim, I suspect you are referring to SLIM mode when you say "THIN" mode. Yes, this is an anamorphic 16:9 frame. But, the pixel aspect ratio is not changed from 4:3. So, you have to stretch the video with your editing software. I use SLIM mode quite a bit to match my GS400's wide mode. It loses a bit of resolution as compared to the GS400, but matches up really well. The advantage to it is that you don't have to crop the video to get the widescreen look.