b/ h shoot out comparisons

J. Clayton Stansberry · December 2nd, 2003, 10:54 AM

"I've often proposed doing our own formal comparisons here on DV Info, but of course in a more structured and carefully thought-out manner that makes solid technical sense --"

Kudos! I think that a detailed comparison of raw footage is very warranted and will be welcomed....same conditions, same position, same lighting, different camera. Technical data, good. Professional responses and opinions, good. Joe Schmoe voting, good. And, maybe, on comparing small clips, we could have the reviewer's comments as to why they think one is better than the other. Just some thoughts, but I think this is a brilliant idea Chris!

Clay

David A. Johnson · December 2nd, 2003, 12:22 PM

Chris,

One thing I would add: If, in the course of testing, you decide to post A/B comparisons video images or clips, and open the posts to voting, keep the identity the cameras that produced the images a secret.

For example, instead of posting "Here's an image from a PD-150 / Here's an image from a DVX100" you could post "Here's an image from Camera A / Here's an image from Camera B"

You could follow with something like: "Voting will be open until 12/31/03, and results will be posted thereafter..."

By keeping camera identities secret, you help eliminate some of the prejudices that we all bring to such evaluations. (Plus, you eliminate evangelists and ballot box stuffers...)

Aaron Koolen · December 2nd, 2003, 03:02 PM

Good thought David, and I would second Stephen's comment on posting some full res clips for people to see also. Stills are great, but I really like to take moving footage and play it on my Tele, to see what those sorts of results will be like. Also it will allow those of us who are keen, tot ake them, do some image processing and see what sorts of looks we can get with the devices.

Too bad the cost and time is prohibitive, but I would have loved to have seen a DVInfo camera comparison DVD that we could all purchase with clips in various situations. Inside day, night, fast action, face closeups, dynamic ranges etc.

Aaron

December 2nd, 2003, 10:54 AM	#16
J. Clayton Stansberry Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 316	"I've often proposed doing our own formal comparisons here on DV Info, but of course in a more structured and carefully thought-out manner that makes solid technical sense --" Kudos! I think that a detailed comparison of raw footage is very warranted and will be welcomed....same conditions, same position, same lighting, different camera. Technical data, good. Professional responses and opinions, good. Joe Schmoe voting, good. And, maybe, on comparing small clips, we could have the reviewer's comments as to why they think one is better than the other. Just some thoughts, but I think this is a brilliant idea Chris! Clay __________________ I understand everything about nothing.

December 2nd, 2003, 12:22 PM	#17
David A. Johnson New Boot Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 21	Chris, One thing I would add: If, in the course of testing, you decide to post A/B comparisons video images or clips, and open the posts to voting, keep the identity the cameras that produced the images a secret. For example, instead of posting "Here's an image from a PD-150 / Here's an image from a DVX100" you could post "Here's an image from Camera A / Here's an image from Camera B" You could follow with something like: "Voting will be open until 12/31/03, and results will be posted thereafter..." By keeping camera identities secret, you help eliminate some of the prejudices that we all bring to such evaluations. (Plus, you eliminate evangelists and ballot box stuffers...) __________________ David A. Johnson past - photojournalist present - IT admin future - documentarian

December 2nd, 2003, 03:02 PM	#18
Aaron Koolen Trustee Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 1,727	Good thought David, and I would second Stephen's comment on posting some full res clips for people to see also. Stills are great, but I really like to take moving footage and play it on my Tele, to see what those sorts of results will be like. Also it will allow those of us who are keen, tot ake them, do some image processing and see what sorts of looks we can get with the devices. Too bad the cost and time is prohibitive, but I would have loved to have seen a DVInfo camera comparison DVD that we could all purchase with clips in various situations. Inside day, night, fast action, face closeups, dynamic ranges etc. Aaron __________________ My Website Meat Free Media