B&W veiwfinder at DVinfo.net
DV Info Net

Go Back   DV Info Net > Panasonic P2HD / AVCCAM / AVCHD / DV Camera Systems > Panasonic DVX / DVC Assistant

Panasonic DVX / DVC Assistant
The 4K DVX200 plus previous Panasonic Pro Line cams: DVX100A, DVC60, DVC30.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old April 25th, 2004, 12:10 PM   #1
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Los Angeles Ca
Posts: 126
B&W veiwfinder

I see that the 100a viewfinder is switchable from color to B&W. what are the advatages to this? when is a B&W viewfinder desirable?

thanks!
__________________
Rich Lee

http://www.rich-lee.com
Rich Lee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 25th, 2004, 01:54 PM   #2
Retired DV Info Net Almunus
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 6,943
Principally, monochrome viewfinders enable you to better judge contrast without being fooled by color.

In the case of true professional b&w viewfinders, such as the XL1's FU-1000 and those found on full-size pro cameras, the viewfinders are high-resolution CRTs that also serve as powerful aids in focus.

Although the DVX100A's version of a b&w viewfinder does not offer the resolution of a CRT it's not bad. It offers a "peaking" feature, as found on the big boys, that slightly edge-enhances objects that are in focus.
__________________
Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission.

Hey, you don't have enough stuff!
Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really!

See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com
Ken Tanaka is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 25th, 2004, 05:34 PM   #3
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Los Angeles Ca
Posts: 126
ic, thanks Ken. that peaking feature is clever. Does the peaking feature also show up in the fold out lcd? Sorry, im sure i could look someplace online for that info, im just being lazy.

Thanks!
__________________
Rich Lee

http://www.rich-lee.com
Rich Lee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 25th, 2004, 08:31 PM   #4
Retired DV Info Net Almunus
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 6,943
Yes, it does. But it's more effective in b&w.
__________________
Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission.

Hey, you don't have enough stuff!
Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really!

See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com
Ken Tanaka is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 25th, 2004, 09:59 PM   #5
Major Player
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 242
The peaking feature (EVF DTL mode) is one of, if not THE best new feature of the 100A.

One comment I'd like to add is this:

Spend plenty of time getting a feel for and use to your 100A's viewfinder and LCD in both normal and peaking (EVF DTL) modes. I've used a lot of professional CRT finders and even several of the (very expensive) "Studio Finders" (HD LCD's for HD rigs). And the one thing that I've learned from my experience is that LCD finders with peaking modes can be deceiving. Peaking modes in CRT finders make it almost impossible to not see the exact point at which the focus hits. The bright and sudden "flare" of the sharp outline pops into focus with no question. However with LCD finders, the peaking modes aren't as pronounced as they are in CRT's. They take some getting use to. And if you're not completely use to the point at which the image pops, you can sometimes think your image is in focus because the of the sharp outlines from the peaking. Yes, even on the very pricey 6" Sony Studio Finder HD LCD made for use with the HDW-F900. If you're not use to it, you can be fooled.

I mention this because I have noticed myself being fooled by my new 100A's LCD finders when using the EVF DTL (peaking). And I've been very aware of this issue with LCD peaking modes for quite awhile.

So definitely take some time to get a solid feel for your 100A's focus and LCD finders. I suggest that you practice by turning on the EVF DTL mode, placing your camera on a tripod, zooming in to your subject and focus (critical focusing), then zoom back out to your frame and note the Manual Focus number. Then repeat the same excercise with the EVF DTL mode off. See if you get the same number. If you do then you've probrably got decent feel for the "pop" of the EVF DTL mode. If you're a number or two (or four) off, then continue to practice. You may find it useful to have the camera connected a decent CRT television or professional monitor while doing this to properly evaluate the accuracy of the focus. And even after you get a good feel for the pop, it's always good to hit the button a time or two when focusing to see the A/B (on and off). Thanks to the excellent placement of the EVF DTL switch on the back of the camera right above the scene file dial, it's always easy and convienent to check and re-check what you've got.

Jon Fordham
Director of Photography
Digital Imaging Technician
24P > HD > SD > DV > Film
Jon Fordham is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 25th, 2004, 10:14 PM   #6
Retired DV Info Net Almunus
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 6,943
Jon's recommendation is excellent. Compared to a crt viewfinder I have found that the 100A's peaking feature is, indeed, harder to discern on many shots, particularly when trying to spot it in the color lcd panel (fugettaboutit). Perhaps it's the low-res or pixel-based nature of lcd displays, or the lack of an adjustable peaking control found on pro viewfinders, but it will definitely take some practice and sharp eyes to get the hang of the DVX100A's peaking feature. But master it you can!
__________________
Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission.

Hey, you don't have enough stuff!
Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really!

See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com
Ken Tanaka is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 28th, 2004, 09:26 PM   #7
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Los Angeles Ca
Posts: 126
Thanks guys, i plan to purchase a 100a very soon, and this info will come in very handy.

Thanks!
__________________
Rich Lee

http://www.rich-lee.com
Rich Lee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 29th, 2004, 02:58 AM   #8
Major Player
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Auckland, NZ
Posts: 202
I'm probably suffering from something, but I actually find it harder to focus on the viewfinder in B&W.
__________________
Catalina Productions
http://www.catalina.co.nz
Joe Lloyd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 2nd, 2004, 09:48 PM   #9
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Los Angeles Ca
Posts: 126
Just got the camera today, this feature is pretty amazing, makes it so much easier for me even when using the flip out monitor. i will try it in b&w to see the difference.
__________________
Rich Lee

http://www.rich-lee.com
Rich Lee is offline   Reply
Reply

DV Info Net refers all where-to-buy and where-to-rent questions exclusively to these trusted full line dealers and rental houses...

B&H Photo Video
(866) 521-7381
New York, NY USA

Scan Computers Int. Ltd.
+44 0871-472-4747
Bolton, Lancashire UK


DV Info Net also encourages you to support local businesses and buy from an authorized dealer in your neighborhood.
  You are here: DV Info Net > Panasonic P2HD / AVCCAM / AVCHD / DV Camera Systems > Panasonic DVX / DVC Assistant

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

 



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:05 PM.


DV Info Net -- Real Names, Real People, Real Info!
1998-2024 The Digital Video Information Network