DVX100 Capturing to adobe turn out CRAP! at DVinfo.net

Lyndon Golanowski · January 17th, 2006, 02:05 PM

Hey guys I shot some footage which I believe is 24p Standard, but may be Advanced, Im editing it from a long long time ago.

So my problem is, when I capture it as 24p progressive it looks beautiful on the computer, I output it to a dvd and I burned it progressive as well and it gets choppy as hell, So I tryed capturing 29.97, interlaced low fields first, with drop frame... Still looks choppy, a bit better but not the greatest..

Can someone give me some clues as to how to get this to look better? am I missing a small detail? Thanks guys,

Lyndon

Barry Green · January 17th, 2006, 02:11 PM

I'm not a Premiere Pro user, but it's my understanding that Premiere Pro 1 and 1.5 didn't have proper support for one of the pulldown systems. 2.0 should fix that.

Hopefully a Premiere user will write in and give you some detailed instructions on what you need to do.

Preston Herrick · January 17th, 2006, 06:27 PM

PPro 1.0 doesn't support 24p directly. It should play 24p normal material without any problem and you should treat the output to DVD just like 29.97fps material. With Premiere Pro 1.5, the problem Barry refers to is that it detects and removes the pulldown whether you want it to or not. Then there are often luminance issues on playback when working with 24pn material.

Need to know which version you're working with and how you are attempting to output to DVD (Export to DVD, Export via Media Encoder, or what). Then we can look at your specific settings.

Saturnin Kondratiew · January 17th, 2006, 08:12 PM

premiere 1.0 captures 24p without a problem(without having support for it). Same thing with pro 1.5 i've never had an issue. The only problem i get is when i try to work on both 60i and 24p on the same timeline in 1.5 but 2.0 should fix it.

Lyndon Golanowski · January 17th, 2006, 08:17 PM

I ended up buying Vegas 6.0 today, It is AWSOME!

This worked out wierd though, I capture the footage at 29.97, the project is 23.97 and then i published it 23.97 inserting 2-3 pulldown, and it came out perfect, I can't notice a difference anyway on computer or screen ( I burnt DVD which might of even coded it a bit more different) Anyways thats my report, if anyone has any comments about it please let me know.

thx

Saturnin Kondratiew · January 26th, 2006, 09:33 PM

after using premiere for a few years, i tried vegas and i just couldnt get into it

Frederic Segard · February 1st, 2006, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Saturnin Kondratiew

after using premiere for a few years, i tried vegas and i just couldnt get into it

Same thing here. I just can't get the Vegas workflow. It's easier to go from Premiere to FinalCutPro.

Funny thing is, my old PC is actually faster then my current G5. Render and encoding times are killing me. Used to be a Premiere & Matrox RTX100 user; hence the intolerance to waiting. After having tried it, I actually get things done faster with the PC, even if it crashed on me 2 to 3 times a day, then on the steady and stable Mac. I just can't take it anymore, I'm actually selling my Mac and FCP to go back to PC with the new Adobe Video Suite. Strange to have come full circle.

Lyndon Golanowski · February 1st, 2006, 08:17 PM

yeah, well i havnt premiere pro 2 but i have the version before that and its crap compared to vegas for 24p anyway....

Saturnin Kondratiew · February 1st, 2006, 08:23 PM

its all about how u get into editing, all teh software does prettymuch the same thing nowadyas anyway.

I've tried em all at one point except FCP and the only one that suited me was premiere.
Now, with intel taking over as the chip maker for MAC, there will be lots to rejoice for MAC fans, i would think and hope.

I'm still workin in pro 1.5 due to the fact that i havent finished my big project but after i will be upgrading to 2.0.

Cary Lee · February 7th, 2006, 01:20 PM

Sony Vegas has the best 24p advanced pulldown in their editing for pc. Haven't tried in on Avid but I tried Premiere pro 1.5 on a project that both me and my partner were both working on..and It came out choppy in the final output. After wasting 2 hours to trying to correct it.... I ended up just taking the project over to vegas and it came out beautiful. No dropouts, sync problems and it was lot easier to edit. I'm sold on it and hopefully with the 6.0d upgrade coming soon it should get even better. Hopefully with the HVX codec possiblity even though there is a third party one available now thru raylight.

January 17th, 2006, 02:05 PM	#1
Lyndon Golanowski Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Posts: 51	DVX100 Capturing to adobe turn out CRAP! Hey guys I shot some footage which I believe is 24p Standard, but may be Advanced, Im editing it from a long long time ago. So my problem is, when I capture it as 24p progressive it looks beautiful on the computer, I output it to a dvd and I burned it progressive as well and it gets choppy as hell, So I tryed capturing 29.97, interlaced low fields first, with drop frame... Still looks choppy, a bit better but not the greatest.. Can someone give me some clues as to how to get this to look better? am I missing a small detail? Thanks guys, Lyndon

January 17th, 2006, 08:12 PM	#4
Saturnin Kondratiew Major Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: vancouver Posts: 310	premiere 1.0 captures 24p without a problem(without having support for it). Same thing with pro 1.5 i've never had an issue. The only problem i get is when i try to work on both 60i and 24p on the same timeline in 1.5 but 2.0 should fix it. __________________ My documentaries - http://www.asphaltjunkiez.com

January 26th, 2006, 09:33 PM	#6
Saturnin Kondratiew Major Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: vancouver Posts: 310	after using premiere for a few years, i tried vegas and i just couldnt get into it __________________ My documentaries - http://www.asphaltjunkiez.com

February 1st, 2006, 08:23 PM	#9
Saturnin Kondratiew Major Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: vancouver Posts: 310	its all about how u get into editing, all teh software does prettymuch the same thing nowadyas anyway. I've tried em all at one point except FCP and the only one that suited me was premiere. Now, with intel taking over as the chip maker for MAC, there will be lots to rejoice for MAC fans, i would think and hope. I'm still workin in pro 1.5 due to the fact that i havent finished my big project but after i will be upgrading to 2.0. __________________ My documentaries - http://www.asphaltjunkiez.com

February 7th, 2006, 01:20 PM	#10
Cary Lee Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood USA Posts: 128	Vegas all the way. Sony Vegas has the best 24p advanced pulldown in their editing for pc. Haven't tried in on Avid but I tried Premiere pro 1.5 on a project that both me and my partner were both working on..and It came out choppy in the final output. After wasting 2 hours to trying to correct it.... I ended up just taking the project over to vegas and it came out beautiful. No dropouts, sync problems and it was lot easier to edit. I'm sold on it and hopefully with the 6.0d upgrade coming soon it should get even better. Hopefully with the HVX codec possiblity even though there is a third party one available now thru raylight. __________________ Canon XHA1, SGpro,Flip,FF, RR Mattebox, Nebtek V-R70p-HDA with Canon, Nikkor Primes 24mm f2.8, 28mm f2.8, 35mm f2.0, 50mm f1.4, 85mm f1.4, 105mm f1.8, 135mm f2.0, and 300mm f4.0.

January 17th, 2006, 02:11 PM	#2
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	I'm not a Premiere Pro user, but it's my understanding that Premiere Pro 1 and 1.5 didn't have proper support for one of the pulldown systems. 2.0 should fix that. Hopefully a Premiere user will write in and give you some detailed instructions on what you need to do.

January 17th, 2006, 06:27 PM	#3
Preston Herrick Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Wenatchee, WA Posts: 44	PPro 1.0 doesn't support 24p directly. It should play 24p normal material without any problem and you should treat the output to DVD just like 29.97fps material. With Premiere Pro 1.5, the problem Barry refers to is that it detects and removes the pulldown whether you want it to or not. Then there are often luminance issues on playback when working with 24pn material. Need to know which version you're working with and how you are attempting to output to DVD (Export to DVD, Export via Media Encoder, or what). Then we can look at your specific settings.

January 17th, 2006, 08:17 PM	#5
Lyndon Golanowski Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Posts: 51	I ended up buying Vegas 6.0 today, It is AWSOME! This worked out wierd though, I capture the footage at 29.97, the project is 23.97 and then i published it 23.97 inserting 2-3 pulldown, and it came out perfect, I can't notice a difference anyway on computer or screen ( I burnt DVD which might of even coded it a bit more different) Anyways thats my report, if anyone has any comments about it please let me know. thx

February 1st, 2006, 08:17 PM	#8
Lyndon Golanowski Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Posts: 51	yeah, well i havnt premiere pro 2 but i have the version before that and its crap compared to vegas for 24p anyway....

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