Re: Panasonic LX100 - 4K Video M43 Compacted
 

Noa,

On the Panasonic spec sheet there is a note (one of many at the bottom) that lists the 15 minute limit in 4K mode.

On the Leica spec sheet there is, currently, no note (just the up to 29 minutes listed in the spec). Time will tell if the lack of a qualifying note regarding a 4K time limit of 15 mins is an omission....or not. I suspect both cams might be the same but let's wait and see - if the Leica does have a different firmware we might just get lucky!

Re: Panasonic LX100 - 4K Video M43 Compact
 

Ah the fine print...:) I guess they are trying to guarantee you get 15 minutes of recording time no matter what instead of risking that the camera shuts down mid recording due to overheating.

Re: Panasonic LX100 - 4K Video M43 Compact
 

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It seems that given sensor/lens combination, it does not allow for much shallow DOF, unless you are very close to the subject? Otherwise is mostly an 'everything in focus' look?

Re: Panasonic LX100 - 4K Video M43 Compact
 

At f1.7 when wide open you can get a narrower shallow dof with obects that are closer to you then with any other comparable pocket(able)camera out there but as soon as that distance increases you'd get more front to back sharpness, for lenses this wide the only other option would be to get a full frame camera and a fast 24mm lens prime but then you don't have a pocketcamera anymore.

Re: Panasonic LX100 - 4K Video M43 Compact
 

Mark, the shutter dial on top of the camera doesn't have 1/50 but jumps from 1/30 to 1/60 to 1/125, as I understand you have to set it to 1/60 first and then use the dial on the back of the camera to finetune to select smaller increments of the shutter speed, like 1/50.

But what happens if you turn the camera off and on again, do you need to go true that procedure again or does the camera remember that it was set to 1/50 shutter?

Re: Panasonic LX100 - 4K Video M43 Compact
 

In shutter priority mode you shift the shutter speed from 1/60th (top dial), say, to 1/50th using the front dial (much easier). And, yes, it sticks when you turn the camera off and on again.

Just for fun I made a brief video showing why you may need to shift the shutter speed from 1/60th:


The first clip was shot at 1/60th; the next at 1/50th.

Re: Panasonic LX100 - 4K Video M43 Compact
 

Thx Mark for the clarification

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Sunlight!

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Thanks Mark,
Any chance to watch this in 4k? :o

Re: Panasonic LX100 - 4K Video M43 Compact
 

Yes. You can download the 4k original from the vimeo site.

Re: Panasonic LX100 - 4K Video M43 Compact
 

Yes. You can download the 4k original from the vimeo site.

Night Street Scenes 4K Video
 

Re: Panasonic LX100 - 4K Video M43 Compact
 

Actually, to me this one is (so far) the most impressive -- lowlight is the most challenging test there is. Thanks for posting.

-- peer

Re: Panasonic LX100 - 4K Video M43 Compact
 

I agree with Peer. Just downloaded the original file and watched it on one of my 27-inch Dell U2713H monitors hooked up to my new Mac Pro. Whilst these monitors are sub 4K in resolution it sure looked very impressive for a camera of this price range to produce this kind of result :-)

The camera's image stabilisation seems really good too. Thanks again for posting/making the footage available Mark.

Re: Panasonic LX100 - 4K Video M43 Compact
 

Can someone tell me if there is a remote control option on the LX100 or D-lux (leica version). I known there is a wifi possibillity, but is there some infrared of wired control (lanc) possibility. When there is, it is may be the perfect cam for my Octocopter.

Re: Panasonic LX100 - 4K Video M43 Compact
 

Does this have clean HDMI out? Using the 1080p mode it might be a nice second or third camera for use as an establishing shot for broadcasting concerts if the 4k mode has limitations of run length.

Re: Panasonic LX100 - 4K Video M43 Compact
 

Finally got to try the LX100 today although briefly. 2160/24p. Shutter was at 60, Aperture was at f/1.7 and ISO was set to 400. It was also on auto focusing but since the lens was set to f/1.7, you shouldn't expect it to be decent. As for white balance and anything else, I have no idea. Again, I only used it briefly at a show. Obvioustly the samples that Mark is giving is a better way to test the quality since he had far more time shooting than I did. I'll try to get this sample up on Vimeo possibly later today so people can download.

Re: Panasonic LX100 - 4K Video M43 Compact
 

But it's still a good example how the autofocus performs and by the looks of it not good, not that I would expect it to perform flawless, especially at wide apertures but something to consider when you shoot this camera as focus might start to hunt when you least expect it.

Re: Panasonic LX100 - 4K Video M43 Compact
 

Re: Panasonic LX100 - 4K Video M43 Compact
 

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I like the color, the contrast, the tones, the balance, the highlight handling, don't like the sharpening. It doesn't need it, has enough resolution already. Edge enhancement draws false outlines, black and white around contrast edges. It's ugly, it's amateur, not film like, video-ish. I guess you can't win because some people will cry "soft."

Resolution and natural film like detail is beautiful, but we are still dealing with what appears to be 4:2:0, 8-bit 709 colors. When that gets combined with edge enhancement, 4k just becomes a sharper version of ordinary video.

I really want to like this camera for its portablility, stabilization, 9.5 stop dynamic range, clarity, built in 3:1 zoom Leica lens, but in the end, the GH4 ends up looking better to me in most respects, probably a lot owing to Cine-D/V gammas. I don't know why else it would.

Re: Panasonic LX100 - 4K Video M43 Compact
 

The video was shot using Standard mode and settings. You can knock down sharpening to -5, just like on the GH4. I suspect the default sharpening for the GH4 just happens to be less than for the LX100. But both have the ability to adjust it. The LX100 does not have the "Cine" modes; it is the only difference really in terms of video quality (leaving aside the what the HDMI outputs).

Did you view this on a 4K screen? If not, whatever you saw was affected by scaling, and that can produce some ugly results. But, in any case, "sharpness" is a setting that can be adjusted to taste, no matter how radical.

Re: Panasonic LX100 - 4K Video M43 Compact
 

No, I viewed it from my monitor at work, a 32 inch desktop 1080p Sony Bravia. It looked clean and great overall. It didn't look like there were down conversion artifacts. Perhaps precisely because it is so clean, the edge enhancement is what catches my eye.

I acknowledge I am keen to EE.

It's just that with 4k it doesn't need edge enhancement, and in my opinion could look better if there was none at all. Would be interesting to see it dialed back to -5.

It is still very excellent video overall.

I do have a 55 inch Samsung UHDTV at home.

Re: Panasonic LX100 - 4K Video M43 Compact
 

Upon reflection, edge enhancement does seem slightly more pronounced when downsampled to 1080p than when viewed natively at 2160p. With the Sony PMW-F55, I shoot with Cine-EI mode which has no sharpening applied, and then in post (DaVinci Resolve 11) I may add the slightest "unblur" which is hardly noticeable in 2160p but if I see it resemble an EE artifact at 1080p, I undo the setting.

One of the points I'm considering is how the 4k video will actually be viewed (often 1080p), not just how I am able to view it.

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That's a very valid point. Thanks for looking. I have had some report they were seeing moire, that upon viewing at 4k disappeared. So, scaling is an issue, and might suggest never distributing 4K video (downscaling ourselves) until 4K viewing becomes more commonplace. Anyway, hopefully, simply turning down the sharpness control could do the trick on EE. I am not unsympathetic to your view on EE.

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On the subject of moire, I think it appears extremely well controlled on the LX100. I do not think it a problem at all. Every cam I've had has a bit of it, more or less, visible under certain conditions, including the PMW-F55. Moire was a problem I complained about with the 5DMK2, and I think I was one of the first. But while I've seen mention of it with the LX100/GH4, it has no merit.

I see no artifacts of any kind to note with your art museum video, except the EE at 1080p. It's so detailed now, I can't imagine any need for it at 2160p, and I would want it muted enough where it wouldn't be visible at 1080p either, where it still is very detailed.

With 2160p, sharpening enhancement may still have its place with out of focus shots or those using low contrast lenses.

Re: Panasonic LX100 - 4K Video M43 Compact
 

Tom, I too have viewed Mark's museum video @4K on a 28" 4K monitor and see no real signs of EE (nice job Mark). Having had the LX100 for the last few days, I concur with everything that Mark has said about the camera.

The range of adjustments it provides, should make most users quite happy. You can pretty much achieve most 'looks' that you are after. It's really a pretty amazing 4K shooter in such a small package. It's the first camera that's made me reach for something other than my trusty AX100.

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Ken, the EE that you are not seeing on your 28 inch 4k monitor is hiding from you, in plain sight. I spotted it even before Mark acknowledged standard mode, and that there are 5 levels more of lesser EE that you also would not be seeing.

When you analyze it, the dot pitch of UHD is one half of HD. When you down sample UHD to HD in post, those EE outlines become coarse. If you watch in UHD, and don't see them in UHD then why have them?

The fact is they are visible, become even more apparent when video is down sampled to HD.

I appreciate Mark's objective approach. He's using excellent camera operator skills and technique to demonstrate in an unbiased manner, the image qualities using the standard settings, acknowledging that the tuning exists to adapt the image to what you like.

Re: Panasonic LX100 - 4K Video M43 Compact
 

Tom, we may just have different tolerances for EE. Many videos that some rave about, look too soft to me. I know many of these folks claim the real detail is there, but when I look at some of those videos in 4K, I don't see the same level of real detail that I've seen in some other videos that those same folks claim look too 'videoish'. I don't recall who did a comparison here between the AX100 and some other 4K camera equipment, but even there, despite the fact that the AX100 looked less 'filmic' than the other camera, there was simply more detail in the AX100.

I myself, for the kind of shooting I do, enjoy the 'live' look of video. So we are after different looks and, not surprisingly, see things differently. We choose our tools and our looks. ;)

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Sharpening is artificial because it doesn't add real detail. It exaggerates the perception by adding artifacts that didn't exist in the source. That's why my tolerance for it is practically nil. I think my opinion is shared by quite a few others. I've seen a lot of people complain about it, more so in cinema than in broadcast where there seems to be more of a tolerance of it. My $0.02

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Tom, I obviously understand that, but I'm talking about the difference between lesser and more detail, not artificial sharpening which I agree adds no more detail and many times obscures real detail. That's why I have all my displays ISF'd. I don't like artificial intrusions into the picture.

I find the LX can be adjusted just fine to avoid this.

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Are you saying that at "0" the image is not sharpened? If so then I disagree because there are outlines around contrast transitions. "0" is simply the default level of sharpening, not the point that above detail is enhanced nor below detail is suppressed.

Re: Panasonic LX100 - 4K Video M43 Compact
 

In viewing the 4K output on a 4K display, I do not see EE at a setting of 0. No false outlines around thin tree branches against a clear sky (an easy way to see EE).

If you feel it necessary, it's easy enough to drop the sharpness to -5. I don't.

Standard versus Natural Profiles - Which is Best?
 

All the Panasonic 4K shooters (GH4, FZ1000, LX100) allow you to choose among a number of Photo Styles, or color profiles. Among the most popular are Standard and Natural. But which is best, for video?

I shot a variety of scenes - high contrast bright outdoors, low-light indoors with high and low contrast - alternating Standard and Natural Profiles. This video contains all the scenes, with Standard first and then Natural for each, using the LX100:


This video contains only the Natural mode shots from the above:

Re: Panasonic LX100 - 4K Video M43 Compact
 

So I just heard from B&H that the Leica is now shipping:
Leica D-LUX (Typ 109) Digital Camera 18471 B&H Photo Video

Hence, I'm eager to know what differences there are between the Panny and the Leica.

-- peer

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I'm really liking this small fellow. My only concern was mounting it on a tripod and still being able to open the battery door. But for now a 15mm tube clamp does a perfect job to rigging it to my rods.

Tiny contribution to the world of the LX-100 users.

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The LX100 in Hong Kong:

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Are you on a world trip? :) Nice videos again.

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Thanks. No, just more travel for business. Separate trips. And now I have my favorite travel camera.