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What do you answer each time you are visiting the country and customs asks you "business or pleasure?" :D
Looks like the lx100 is a great travelcompanion.

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mark-

i remember when you said the canon eos-m was your favorite travel camera!

(frankly, i think you really really really LIKE cameras!)

:-)

ymmv

be well.

rob
smalltalk productions/nyc

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The Canon M was my favorite travel camera (not companion!). It was truly compact but has a big sensor (APS-C) so you could get great shallow dof shots just like those from big DSLRs, with nice bokeh. Full manual control of video and audio, including picture settings. Great Canon lenses. But, there was one big fault - low resolution, moire-filled video. Scenic shots with detail were obviously mushy. And the lack of a viewfinder meant it was difficult to hold steady while shooting.

The LX100 is equally compact with a largish sensor and full manual controls. But its 4K video is really high resolution, and it has a viewfinder. It is easier to use because of the multiple dials - no menu searching. I miss the touch screen of the EOS M a bit, but I am really using the viewfinder for all shots. And the stability is much better. It's a better travel camera.

Technology advances, except maybe for Canon...

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Hi, I'm A DVI'er and I have a camera addiction... I REALLLY like cameras... and you can never have too many... said everyone here!

I'm really wishing that Sony would get on the stick and update firmware so the RX100 would shoot 4K, this LX100 looks mighty tempting! At least to my eye, this little beastie seems to produce better results than what I've seen from the other "consumer" Panasonics, with far less artifacting and odd blotches (though I saw some strangeness in a magenta region on the comparison of the LX, a GH and the AX100).

PS, is it "support" or enabling... eh, who cares?

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I'm assuming this little beauty has no Image stabilization, I read the specs but could find no mention of this. Kinda defeats the purpose of walking around hand held....... is there something I don't know or is this not a concern?

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It has "POWER O.I.S."

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Good to know.

Bokeh and Night Video 4K Tests
 

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Hi Mark -

Second time I've noticed some strange handling of "hot" magenta/pink color with clips you've posted from this camera (@35 and 40 seconds). The prior one was a comparison with the GH4 & AX100. Just curious if you've noticed it? Overall the camera seems to hold up fairly well, so the macroblocking with that color range really stuck out when I looked at the clips.

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It seems to me, that at that point is transitions inserted in editor, so i think that is th reason for that.

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Dave, I think what you're seeing is a bit of chroma noise in reds & magentas. I've seen this on both the GH4 and LX100. You really need to tame the color on these cameras, as sometimes the color looks excellent and at other times it looks a bit too saturated.

However the introduction of chroma noise in reds is something I haven't seen in the last several cameras I've owned. It used to be very common with tape-based video cameras. However, given the overall excellent PQ of the LX100 along with its diminutive size, it's just a minor annoyance. Taming the color saturation does minimize the issue.

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I see it as a blotchy macroblocking area in the center screen portion of the flower in the clip @35, and the Subsequent clip @40 in the pinks on the bouncy seat to the left of the center of the screen - really only noticed because it showed up in one of Marks' other samples, there it was well off center, so not quite so obvious.

Actually I've seen reds behave similarly with tape Pannys, so I guess it brings back memories. Just haven't seen anything similar on any other clips from other cameras. Still looking for a "pocket" 4K since the RX100M3 is "just" 1080...

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I've seen chroma noise in reds on lots of older tape-based cameras. It was an issue on my older Sonys too.

Dave, I don't see macroblocking in Mark's video or shots I've made with my LX (viewing the 4K download on a 4K monitor) in the reds & purples, just some chroma noise. I believe this behavior is more likely if the color saturation is set too high.

On the whole, the 4K PQ of this little camera is absolutely stunning. Stills are excellent too. Absent the long zoom of the AX100, I actually find myself preferring the 4K PQ of the LX over my AX. That's something I never thought I'd say. The adjustability of picture parameters far surpasses that of the AX100.

The biggest issue for me is acclimating to the 3X optical zoom, but I don't think they could have incorporated a much longer zoom in a body of this size.

Comparing the Auto White Balance of the Panasonic GH4 and LX100: Dynamic Test
 

Two clips for each camera. Both in auto white balance mode. First, going from 5600K (daylight) to 3500K (incandescent), then going from incandescent to daylight. The first camera for each sequence is the GH4.

You can see that the GH4 AWB never compensates fully under incandescent light. The LX100 nails it under both lighting conditions. The speed of adjustment is similar for the two cameras.

The GH4 uses the Lumix 12-35mm f2.8 lens. The LX100 lens is extended so that the f is 2.8. For both ev was set to -1/3.

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Interesting test Mark, thanks.

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Plenty of reds...

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Hello Mark. Could You tell me why all my video on LX100 looks so jerky, like the motion is stoped for a moment after every few (maybe 10 or so) frames. I record in 4k 25 frame per sec, and then downscale with Adobe Premiere Elements to 1080p/25/40Mbit/s. It is not matter where I play that file, on my laptop i7/8GB and Nvidea graphic card with 2GB ram, or on media player connect to panasonic FHD plasma. Thanks.

I forgot to mention, Recording mode is shutter priority set on 1/50 sec speed, and i am trying not panning with camera, or do it very slow.

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First, play a 4K clip in the camera, looking at the lcd screen. Play ok?

Second, take a 4K clip straight from the camera and play it on your computer - do not convert it. Does the camera clip play without glitches? If yes to both, then it is your software/conversion that is mucking up your video. Your technique and hardware are fine. But, what is your operating system?

You could also download the original 4K video I uploaded from Vimeo and try playing that. Then convert it using your software.

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Do you guys have a preferred method to downconvert the 4K image to HD in order to preserve the best possible quality? What to and not to do? On either Premiere or FCPX.

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I just edit 25p 4K in a 25p 1080p project in edius 7 and then render out with the same settings as the project, either to a hqavi file or a mp4 in any bitrate needed.

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He haven't painted in years so we decided that we should make a video of him painting again and see how it goes. Here's the outcome.

All of the timelapse parts were shot with the Panasonic AC90. The part with him singing and talking about the painting were shot with the LX100.

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I basically took a native clip off that card and uploaded to YouTube. Shot in 3840x2160p30. Shutter of 30, Aperture of around f/1.7 at it's widest and it obviously changed a bit when I zoomed it. Auto focus was at auto. I was sort of looking at the settings on the camera while shooting which wasn't the brightest idea. I really should have practiced a bit shooting with the camera handheld before I shot this.

Anyway, does anyone know what I need to do in order to see my adjustments live on the screen? It works if I hit record first but I want to see my adjustments live before I hit record.

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The camera looks like a good B-Cam for my purposes, how does the zoom lens compare to a APS-C Sensor like a 550D, would the zoom range be similar to my 550D with the 24 - 70 I have or will it have a slighter longer range because of the crop?

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The range is 24-75mm in stills mode. In video mode it is about 26-82mm.

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Paulo, if you haven't found it yet, go to Custom Settings > Constant Preview > ON.

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The crop on your 550D makes your focal lengths longer. The 24-75mm (26-82mm in 4K mode) on the lx100 are adjusted for their 35mm equivalent. The actual focal length of the lx100 lens is more like a 10-30mm or something.

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Oh ok, so even though it's 24mm - 75mm for 35mm equivalent, it doesn't take the crop of the Micro-four thirds factor like a GH4 would do with my 24 - 70mm.

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Thanks although I actually ended up finding out on my own by accident. I was looking for something else in the menu and saw something that might resolve the issue I was having and after I set it to on, presto! That's good because I would have had such a big headache trying to record a lot of things in Sao Miguel, Azores and having to record first to see how my adjustments are and then go back and delete those parts in order to not have too much junk on the card.

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Here's a couple of New Year's videos I shot.

This first one shows what was going on before midnight struck.


This one has the main fireworks event.


A third video was supposed to be uploaded by now but an adapter I was using for my laptop decided to stop working. I guess that'll have to be uploaded some other time.

I'm also shooting videos of the scenery in different places with that camera. I'm still getting shots and that should be uploaded after I get back to the US.

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I have some videos up on Vimeo that will later be part of a longer review. All are currently available for download at 4K:

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That is great Michael.

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Here's a bunch of random shots I took while i was in in Sao Miguel, Azores earlier this month.

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Liking the pictures out of the LX100 but the 15min record limit in 4K has meant that it's no good for half of my stuff (interviews & concerts) - annoying that Panasonic crippled a good little camera.

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The limit is indeed a drawback, but Panasonic didn't "cripple" the camera as if they were conspiring to protect their pro cameras or something: it is an overheating issue resulting from keeping the camera small and compact and allowing 100Mbps given the limitations of current technology. The tiny Samsung Galaxy S5 has a 10-minute limitation for 4K video for exactly the same reason (even though a lower bitrate).

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So again, does anyone know if the Leica Typ-109 indeed has a 30 minutes limit..?

-- peer

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Sounds like the type 109 also has a 15 minute limit from linked discussion below.

Re: D-lux 109 4k recording limit: Leica Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

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I decided to also upload my Sao, Miguel, Azores video to Vimeo in case people wanted to download the 4K file. I took away over 3 minutes worth of footage just to sort of make it flow better. People can always watch the YouTube version to see everything.