Serious, MAJOR GH2 Shortcoming

William Hohauser · April 11th, 2011, 04:41 PM

I'm going to try turning the Highlight off again tonight but if it doesn't work I'll do a full reset.

Jeff Harper · April 11th, 2011, 04:48 PM

I almost did a reset, but I'm trying to avoid having to change everything back again, I've done it several times already. The process is good for helping to learn the camera though.

William Hohauser · April 11th, 2011, 06:02 PM

The "Rec Highlight" menu function turns the blinking overexposure warning on or off.

Les Wilson · April 11th, 2011, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Harper

Les, you are mistaken. With the GH2 and GH1 recording time is limited by battery only, and the moire issue is a non-issue. With a power pack I can shoot up to 8 hours non-stop. But with multiple cameras the battery thing sucks.

My list was not directed at the GH2. Rather the sum of "deficiencies" found in various DSLR approaches to video.

Jeff Harper · April 12th, 2011, 06:28 AM

I suspected as much, Les, but then since we're in the gh2 forum, well, anyway, it's a nice camera, but certainly has it's challenges.

Les Wilson · April 12th, 2011, 07:58 AM

To make my point explicit, this "shortcoming" just joins the list of shortcomings of shooting video on DSLRs. Some are "more short" than others to some people. For example, you apparently don't think twice about using a battery pack. Still others don't mind visiting their camera every twelve minutes and splicing lost footage from other cameras or whatever.

It's a little disappointing tho to find it on a DSLR that has made such strides in video (especially in moire) yet is still decent at the stills thing. :-)

Jeff Harper · April 12th, 2011, 08:11 AM

All in all, Les, if I had to do again, I would've gone a different course than using these glorified point and shoots.

The work involved, the matching of settings between camera, then ooops, the lights been lowered now I have to run around and change them all. From my wedding Saturday, my fourth, wide camera in the balcony has to be fixed in post because it was set perfectly, then at the last second before the bride comes out they turned the lights out, and meanwhile, I'm on the main floor.

Most folks use these camera as supplements to "regular" video cameras, and it that is a sensible approach.

I would trade two good low light video cameras over four of these anytime. I really miss the zoom on the FX1000, etc, and have a real respect for the technology that went into them, particularly the lenses.

I suspect/hope that most prosumer/low end pro cams will be developed with a single larger sensor with the traditional video features. That is what I'm waiting for. In the meantime, I will learn more about photography then I ever wanted to know using these!

Jim Forrest · April 12th, 2011, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Les Wilson

To make my point explicit, this "shortcoming" just joins the list of shortcomings of shooting video on DSLRs. Some are "more short" than others to some people. For example, you apparently don't think twice about using a battery pack. Still others don't mind visiting their camera every twelve minutes and splicing lost footage from other cameras or whatever.

It's a little disappointing tho to find it on a DSLR that has made such strides in video (especially in moire) yet is still decent at the stills thing. :-)

. "Still others don't mind visiting their camera every twelve minutes and splicing lost footage from other cameras or whatever."
?? What 12 minutes?

Nigel Barker · April 12th, 2011, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Forrest

. "Still others don't mind visiting their camera every twelve minutes and splicing lost footage from other cameras or whatever."?? What 12 minutes?

The Canon DSLRs have a 12minute/4GB file size recording limit.

Jim Forrest · April 12th, 2011, 11:49 AM

Yes but we are not talking about Canon's. My Nikon D7000 shoots for 20 min. and of course the GH2 can go on and on and is not a DSLR. These restrictions are lifting. Its only relevant on the 7D forum.

William Hohauser · April 12th, 2011, 02:01 PM

Coming from 25 plus years of video camera operation and longer as an amateur still photographer I can clearly say that using the GH2 is a wide step sideways in video recording over a low end industrial/prosumer video camera. Manual operation is a pain to get used to but less annoying than a camera like the Sony HD1000 which costs the same as a GH2 with the 10x lens. Compared to a low end pro 3-chip HD camera, the GH2 is a pain to use in situations that are fast changing. For interviews, controlled dramatic filming and beauty shots for advertising or promotionals, the GH2 is a very, very good camera for the price. For news, events (weddings, stage shows, etc.) and uncontrolled situations, a standard video camera is probably better.

Jeff Harper · April 12th, 2011, 03:07 PM

William, your post really sums it up perfectly. Well said.

Though I'm still planning my plan of attack with my current batch of cameras, I don't see a way around acquiring a "real" video camera, the sooner the better. I sold off my old ones, but I'm thinking a FX1000 would make my life SO much easier. And the end product would be superior to boot because I would have consistent, usable shots at all times, at least from one camera. I cannot run four of these babies by myself. I thought because I ran four regular video cameras alone I could do this, but it's too much.

Jim Forrest · April 12th, 2011, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by William Hohauser

Coming from 25 plus years of video camera operation and longer as an amateur still photographer I can clearly say that using the GH2 is a wide step sideways in video recording over a low end industrial/prosumer video camera. Manual operation is a pain to get used to but less annoying than a camera like the Sony HD1000 which costs the same as a GH2 with the 10x lens. Compared to a low end pro 3-chip HD camera, the GH2 is a pain to use in situations that are fast changing. For interviews, controlled dramatic filming and beauty shots for advertising or promotionals, the GH2 is a very, very good camera for the price. For news, events (weddings, stage shows, etc.) and uncontrolled situations, a standard video camera is probably better.

I agree totally, but I don't think anyone was going to use it in a run and gun environment.
For me it is a second lockdown camera for my EX3, the 2 cut quite well together . But I think the GH2 is good in an entirely controlled situation like a doc or feature...or as an add on using it on my Blackbird as a steady cam type of shot.
But using it where people are moving around would be quite challenging. I can not see using it at an event shooting.
A friend of mine finally sold his Canon 7D to buy the new Sony NEX-VG10. It gave him a video camera with a large sensor and interchangeable lenses.

Jeff Harper · April 12th, 2011, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Forrest

...but I don't think anyone was going to use it in a run and gun environment.

And yet, I will do it! I will master this camera!

Jim Snow · April 12th, 2011, 04:36 PM

I agree Jim. I use an EX1R and find the GH2 footage works very well with it. I shot a wedding with both of them Saturday and they are a great pair to work with. I got shots with each of them that would have been a problem with the other. I don't know where this 'one kind of camera' thinking comes from. Must have been a virus someone picked up over in the Canon-ites forum.

He said, "By gum, my hammer is better than your screwdriver!"

I said, "Not at driving screws it isn't!"

BTW the wedding I shot was at Pebble Beach in a private estate next to the 14th tee. I thought of this very issue as I watched the golfers choose the appropriate club for each "shooting" situation. Wouldn't it have been weird if some lumpkin tried to play the course with just one "best" golf club. This is exactly the same thing as the point I made about cameras.

April 11th, 2011, 04:41 PM	#16
William Hohauser Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 2,650	Re: Serious, MAJOR GH2 Shortcoming I'm going to try turning the Highlight off again tonight but if it doesn't work I'll do a full reset. __________________ William Hohauser - New York City Producer/Edit/Camera/Animation

April 11th, 2011, 04:48 PM	#17
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Re: Serious, MAJOR GH2 Shortcoming I almost did a reset, but I'm trying to avoid having to change everything back again, I've done it several times already. The process is good for helping to learn the camera though. __________________ "The horror of what I saw on the timeline cannot be described."

April 11th, 2011, 06:02 PM	#18
William Hohauser Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 2,650	Re: Serious, MAJOR GH2 Shortcoming The "Rec Highlight" menu function turns the blinking overexposure warning on or off. __________________ William Hohauser - New York City Producer/Edit/Camera/Animation

April 12th, 2011, 06:28 AM	#20
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Re: Serious, MAJOR GH2 Shortcoming I suspected as much, Les, but then since we're in the gh2 forum, well, anyway, it's a nice camera, but certainly has it's challenges. __________________ "The horror of what I saw on the timeline cannot be described."

April 12th, 2011, 07:58 AM	#21
Les Wilson Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 3,014	Re: Serious, MAJOR GH2 Shortcoming To make my point explicit, this "shortcoming" just joins the list of shortcomings of shooting video on DSLRs. Some are "more short" than others to some people. For example, you apparently don't think twice about using a battery pack. Still others don't mind visiting their camera every twelve minutes and splicing lost footage from other cameras or whatever. It's a little disappointing tho to find it on a DSLR that has made such strides in video (especially in moire) yet is still decent at the stills thing. :-)

April 12th, 2011, 08:11 AM	#22
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Re: Serious, MAJOR GH2 Shortcoming All in all, Les, if I had to do again, I would've gone a different course than using these glorified point and shoots. The work involved, the matching of settings between camera, then ooops, the lights been lowered now I have to run around and change them all. From my wedding Saturday, my fourth, wide camera in the balcony has to be fixed in post because it was set perfectly, then at the last second before the bride comes out they turned the lights out, and meanwhile, I'm on the main floor. Most folks use these camera as supplements to "regular" video cameras, and it that is a sensible approach. I would trade two good low light video cameras over four of these anytime. I really miss the zoom on the FX1000, etc, and have a real respect for the technology that went into them, particularly the lenses. I suspect/hope that most prosumer/low end pro cams will be developed with a single larger sensor with the traditional video features. That is what I'm waiting for. In the meantime, I will learn more about photography then I ever wanted to know using these! __________________ "The horror of what I saw on the timeline cannot be described."

April 12th, 2011, 11:49 AM	#25
Jim Forrest Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Washington DC Posts: 368	Re: Serious, MAJOR GH2 Shortcoming Yes but we are not talking about Canon's. My Nikon D7000 shoots for 20 min. and of course the GH2 can go on and on and is not a DSLR. These restrictions are lifting. Its only relevant on the 7D forum.

April 12th, 2011, 02:01 PM	#26
William Hohauser Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 2,650	Re: Serious, MAJOR GH2 Shortcoming Coming from 25 plus years of video camera operation and longer as an amateur still photographer I can clearly say that using the GH2 is a wide step sideways in video recording over a low end industrial/prosumer video camera. Manual operation is a pain to get used to but less annoying than a camera like the Sony HD1000 which costs the same as a GH2 with the 10x lens. Compared to a low end pro 3-chip HD camera, the GH2 is a pain to use in situations that are fast changing. For interviews, controlled dramatic filming and beauty shots for advertising or promotionals, the GH2 is a very, very good camera for the price. For news, events (weddings, stage shows, etc.) and uncontrolled situations, a standard video camera is probably better. __________________ William Hohauser - New York City Producer/Edit/Camera/Animation

April 12th, 2011, 03:07 PM	#27
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Re: Serious, MAJOR GH2 Shortcoming William, your post really sums it up perfectly. Well said. Though I'm still planning my plan of attack with my current batch of cameras, I don't see a way around acquiring a "real" video camera, the sooner the better. I sold off my old ones, but I'm thinking a FX1000 would make my life SO much easier. And the end product would be superior to boot because I would have consistent, usable shots at all times, at least from one camera. I cannot run four of these babies by myself. I thought because I ran four regular video cameras alone I could do this, but it's too much. __________________ "The horror of what I saw on the timeline cannot be described."

April 12th, 2011, 04:36 PM	#30
Jim Snow Trustee Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Santa Clara, CA Posts: 1,104	Re: Serious, MAJOR GH2 Shortcoming I agree Jim. I use an EX1R and find the GH2 footage works very well with it. I shot a wedding with both of them Saturday and they are a great pair to work with. I got shots with each of them that would have been a problem with the other. I don't know where this 'one kind of camera' thinking comes from. Must have been a virus someone picked up over in the Canon-ites forum. He said, "By gum, my hammer is better than your screwdriver!" I said, "Not at driving screws it isn't!" BTW the wedding I shot was at Pebble Beach in a private estate next to the 14th tee. I thought of this very issue as I watched the golfers choose the appropriate club for each "shooting" situation. Wouldn't it have been weird if some lumpkin tried to play the course with just one "best" golf club. This is exactly the same thing as the point I made about cameras.