AVC-Ultra handheld cam at DVinfo.net

Glen Vandermolen · September 2nd, 2013, 07:51 PM

I don't know how I missed this until now. Panny had a prototype AVC-Ultra handheld cam at NAB 2013.
Looks like a possible replacement for the HPX250?

The video's in German (I think), so I don't know what info they're giving.

Jack Zhang · September 4th, 2013, 02:18 AM

It being MicroP2 already rules out 1080p50/60 support. Not really worth it unless you want to switch to a MicroP2 workflow.

Bo Skelmose · September 4th, 2013, 11:47 PM

And they are comming with a Varicam that can record 120 fps.

Nate Haustein · September 5th, 2013, 04:58 AM

Specs in the video say the handheld model has 1080p60 at 10-bit 4:2:2.

Glen Vandermolen · September 5th, 2013, 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Zhang

It being MicroP2 already rules out 1080p50/60 support. Not really worth it unless you want to switch to a MicroP2 workflow.

Micro P2 cards have nothing to do with 1080/60P, as far as the camera goes. The new AX5000 and the new Varicam take micro P2 cards, and they most certainly do AVC-Ultra 1080/60P. The HPX600, when upgraded to AVC-Ultra, will also do 1080/60P and it uses micro P2 cards.

Sam Lee · September 10th, 2013, 07:56 AM

I don't know why many are excited over AVC-Ultra on the prosumer grade HPX-250. It's simply diminishing return on investment and nothing but a gimmick bait to upgrade. You're wasting storage space for very little improved resolution, especially at Class 200. Somewhat delusional to think that AVC-200 codec alone will miraculously solve all lens defects and the tiny 1/3" sensor size limitations. Now if the HPX-250 successor has DRS at AVC-I 100 1080/30p & beyond, it's a worthwhile upgrade. Currently you can only do DRS at 1080/60i AVC-I 100, which is extremely limiting. This is not an issue on their 2/3" HPX3### series cam. Other than 1080/60p, I don't see any major reason to spend another $6K. You can test it yourself on the current HPX-250. Most of the times AVC-Intra 100 outperforms the HPX-250's DSP & cheap KG lens. In other words, you can run HD-SDI out to uncompress HD capture (Decklink or AJA cards) and the bottleneck here undeniably is the lens and the 1/3" MOS sensors of the HPX-250. It's impossible for any cam mfg to put a $80K lens on a $6K body. Probably only higher frame rates will benefit. But at higher frame rates (like 120 fps), I don't think you can use AVC-Ultra Class 200. This is the case w/ the upcoming 2/3" AJ-PX-5000G aka "Varicam 3".

September 2nd, 2013, 07:51 PM	#1
Glen Vandermolen Space Hipster Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 1,596	AVC-Ultra handheld cam I don't know how I missed this until now. Panny had a prototype AVC-Ultra handheld cam at NAB 2013. Looks like a possible replacement for the HPX250? The video's in German (I think), so I don't know what info they're giving. NAB2013: AVC-Ultra-Handheld, Varicam 3, AVC-Ultra-Eckdaten - YouTube

September 4th, 2013, 02:18 AM	#2
Jack Zhang Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Burnaby, BC, Canada Posts: 3,053	Re: AVC-Ultra handheld cam It being MicroP2 already rules out 1080p50/60 support. Not really worth it unless you want to switch to a MicroP2 workflow.

September 4th, 2013, 11:47 PM	#3
Bo Skelmose Major Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Denmark Posts: 495	Re: AVC-Ultra handheld cam And they are comming with a Varicam that can record 120 fps.

September 5th, 2013, 04:58 AM	#4
Nate Haustein Trustee Join Date: May 2007 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 1,313	Re: AVC-Ultra handheld cam Specs in the video say the handheld model has 1080p60 at 10-bit 4:2:2. __________________ Nate Haustein PXW-FX9 / FCPX www.flightcreativemedia.com

September 10th, 2013, 07:56 AM	#6
Sam Lee Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 49	Re: AVC-Ultra handheld cam I don't know why many are excited over AVC-Ultra on the prosumer grade HPX-250. It's simply diminishing return on investment and nothing but a gimmick bait to upgrade. You're wasting storage space for very little improved resolution, especially at Class 200. Somewhat delusional to think that AVC-200 codec alone will miraculously solve all lens defects and the tiny 1/3" sensor size limitations. Now if the HPX-250 successor has DRS at AVC-I 100 1080/30p & beyond, it's a worthwhile upgrade. Currently you can only do DRS at 1080/60i AVC-I 100, which is extremely limiting. This is not an issue on their 2/3" HPX3### series cam. Other than 1080/60p, I don't see any major reason to spend another $6K. You can test it yourself on the current HPX-250. Most of the times AVC-Intra 100 outperforms the HPX-250's DSP & cheap KG lens. In other words, you can run HD-SDI out to uncompress HD capture (Decklink or AJA cards) and the bottleneck here undeniably is the lens and the 1/3" MOS sensors of the HPX-250. It's impossible for any cam mfg to put a $80K lens on a $6K body. Probably only higher frame rates will benefit. But at higher frame rates (like 120 fps), I don't think you can use AVC-Ultra Class 200. This is the case w/ the upcoming 2/3" AJ-PX-5000G aka "Varicam 3". Last edited by Sam Lee; September 11th, 2013 at 07:42 AM.