P2 NAB 2007 Wrap-up

Martin Iverson · April 22nd, 2007, 03:07 PM

One of my goals at NAB was to comparing monitors that would work with my HVX. Even though the BT-LH80W has the same resolution as the Marshall and the Swit I found the picture quality to be far superior. I'm surprised to find out that it has similar resolution, but I know that there is so much more than that that goes into a good monitor than just resolution. The clincher for me was the "Focus-in-Red" feature. Since the eye recognizes color faster than it does focus it made focusing instantly easier. There was no learning curve at all. Now if I could only afford one...

Boyd Ostroff · April 22nd, 2007, 03:29 PM

I agree; I looked at all the small monitors I could find at NAB too and was also surprised to see the resolution spec later since the Panasonic did appear sharper than the others. I thought it held its own very nicely next to the larger Panasonic monitors in the same display. Perhaps the scaler is doing a better job downconverting the image? It's a really nice little screen.

But price is an issue for me since I'd also need the Anton Bauer batteries as opposed to some of the other monitors which can be used with my existing batteries.

More discussion of small monitors at NAB here: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=91877

Kalunga Lima · April 28th, 2007, 01:05 PM

Apparently the BT-LH80W also comes with an optional HD-SDI input module (BT-YA80G). For an indie feature to be shot with the HPX500, is it worth the extra $650 list price?

thanks

Dante Waters · May 3rd, 2007, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Iverson

One of my goals at NAB was to comparing monitors that would work with my HVX. Even though the BT-LH80W has the same resolution as the Marshall and the Swit I found the picture quality to be far superior. I'm surprised to find out that it has similar resolution, but I know that there is so much more than that that goes into a good monitor than just resolution. The clincher for me was the "Focus-in-Red" feature. Since the eye recognizes color faster than it does focus it made focusing instantly easier. There was no learning curve at all. Now if I could only afford one...

What exactly is focus in red?

Kevin Railsback · May 4th, 2007, 05:00 AM

Focus-in-Red displays the edges of the focused area in red when sharp focus is achieved.

Jay Lee · May 4th, 2007, 10:48 AM

Robert, have you heard of any issues related to ingest of the 16Gb cards with existing NLE's? I'm wondering that if an NLE or intermediate app like Cineform supports MXF files from the HVX200 will also support the larger cards when shot on the HPX500. Any differences in the file structure/codec/blackmagic that goes into the P2 format?

David Jimerson · May 4th, 2007, 10:50 AM

Should be no difference in file structure, definitely no difference in codec.

The only differences would be in drivers to support the card firmware.

David Saraceno · May 5th, 2007, 09:30 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 16 Gb cards are not yet available.

Not certain how anybody can determine if there are problems with them

David Jimerson · May 5th, 2007, 10:51 AM

No, but we can discuss the theory. And in theory, as the file structure and codec will remain the same, there should be no issues because of that.

Jay Lee · May 5th, 2007, 11:49 AM

Perhaps a little insider info would do the trick. What about it Jan, where are the gotchas with the 16 gig cards for NLE's?

Robert Lane · May 6th, 2007, 01:25 AM

Just to be clear, the only difference between the various P2 card sizes is exactly that - size.

P2 is not a format, codec or frame-rate, it's intelligent, reusable storage; the cards record any format the camera it's installed in shoots. The only caveat with 16GB cards has to do with the HVX200 only; older models will require a firmware update to talk to the 16GB cards because they and the 32 GB cards are now using SDHC-type RAM modules instead of the older and slower SD-type. Later model HVX - and any shipping now - will already have the updated firmware.

There are no "gotchas" with NLE's; if your NLE of choice has a P2 Import function then it wlll talk to the 16GB cards just fine - and the 32GB cards later this year.

The first batch of 16GB cards have been allocated to the HPX500 packages Jan has setup; remaining individual cards will be made available after the first orders of 500's have been fulfilled. Panasonic Flagship dealers will get priority for both card & HPX500 package orders; normal retail channels will follow.

Jay Lee · May 6th, 2007, 03:14 PM

Thanks Robert, I was hoping that was the case, but you know how things are these days with the technology moving so fast. I'd hate to make a purchase recommendation only to find out that the compatibility turns out to be "shiiping sometime in Q3, Q4...".

Do you have an HPX500 here in PHX now?

Jan Crittenden Livingston · May 10th, 2007, 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay Lee

Perhaps a little insider info would do the trick. What about it Jan, where are the gotchas with the 16 gig cards for NLE's?

There is as Robert and David have pointed out, no problems that we are aware of. The Factory has been working with all of the NLE guys and I feel pretty confident that there will be not gotchas.

Hope this helps,

Jan

Lonnie Bell · July 1st, 2007, 01:24 AM

Hi guys,
There was quite a bit of talk about the BT-LH80W on this thread, anyone know if it has image flip?
Thanks,
Lonnie

Mark Donnell · July 1st, 2007, 04:45 PM

Can you post the serial number (approximately) of the HVX-200 where no new firmware will be needed ? Also, if a firmware upgrade is needed for using the 16 GB card, will Panasonic be charging to make the upgrade ?

April 22nd, 2007, 03:07 PM	#16
Martin Iverson Regular Crew Join Date: May 2006 Location: Anacortes, WA Posts: 78	One of my goals at NAB was to comparing monitors that would work with my HVX. Even though the BT-LH80W has the same resolution as the Marshall and the Swit I found the picture quality to be far superior. I'm surprised to find out that it has similar resolution, but I know that there is so much more than that that goes into a good monitor than just resolution. The clincher for me was the "Focus-in-Red" feature. Since the eye recognizes color faster than it does focus it made focusing instantly easier. There was no learning curve at all. Now if I could only afford one... Last edited by Martin Iverson; April 22nd, 2007 at 05:03 PM.

April 28th, 2007, 01:05 PM	#18
Kalunga Lima Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Luanda - ANGOLA & Lisbon - PORTUGAL Posts: 160	Apparently the BT-LH80W also comes with an optional HD-SDI input module (BT-YA80G). For an indie feature to be shot with the HPX500, is it worth the extra $650 list price? thanks __________________ Kalunga Lima PMW-350, PDW-F350, PDW-EX1, MacBookPro, MacPro 8-Core, Final Cut Studio 2, Canon 5D MkII

May 4th, 2007, 05:00 AM	#20
Kevin Railsback Trustee Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Cedar Rapids, Iowa Posts: 1,544	Focus-in-Red displays the edges of the focused area in red when sharp focus is achieved. __________________ --==Kevin==-- http:naturephotostudios.com.com

May 4th, 2007, 10:48 AM	#21
Jay Lee Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 57	Impact of bigger P2 cards Robert, have you heard of any issues related to ingest of the 16Gb cards with existing NLE's? I'm wondering that if an NLE or intermediate app like Cineform supports MXF files from the HVX200 will also support the larger cards when shot on the HPX500. Any differences in the file structure/codec/blackmagic that goes into the P2 format?

May 4th, 2007, 10:50 AM	#22
David Jimerson Jubal 28 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 872	Should be no difference in file structure, definitely no difference in codec. The only differences would be in drivers to support the card firmware. __________________ www.wrightsvillebeachstudios.com

April 22nd, 2007, 03:29 PM	#17
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,798	I agree; I looked at all the small monitors I could find at NAB too and was also surprised to see the resolution spec later since the Panasonic did appear sharper than the others. I thought it held its own very nicely next to the larger Panasonic monitors in the same display. Perhaps the scaler is doing a better job downconverting the image? It's a really nice little screen. But price is an issue for me since I'd also need the Anton Bauer batteries as opposed to some of the other monitors which can be used with my existing batteries. More discussion of small monitors at NAB here: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=91877

May 5th, 2007, 09:30 AM	#23
David Saraceno Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Inland Northwest Posts: 490	Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 16 Gb cards are not yet available. Not certain how anybody can determine if there are problems with them

May 5th, 2007, 10:51 AM	#24
David Jimerson Jubal 28 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 872	No, but we can discuss the theory. And in theory, as the file structure and codec will remain the same, there should be no issues because of that. __________________ www.wrightsvillebeachstudios.com

May 5th, 2007, 11:49 AM	#25
Jay Lee Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 57	Calling Jan, Calling Jan! Perhaps a little insider info would do the trick. What about it Jan, where are the gotchas with the 16 gig cards for NLE's?

May 6th, 2007, 01:25 AM	#26
Robert Lane Go Go Godzilla Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Scottsdale, AZ USA Posts: 2,823 Images: 15	P2 is MXF Just to be clear, the only difference between the various P2 card sizes is exactly that - size. P2 is not a format, codec or frame-rate, it's intelligent, reusable storage; the cards record any format the camera it's installed in shoots. The only caveat with 16GB cards has to do with the HVX200 only; older models will require a firmware update to talk to the 16GB cards because they and the 32 GB cards are now using SDHC-type RAM modules instead of the older and slower SD-type. Later model HVX - and any shipping now - will already have the updated firmware. There are no "gotchas" with NLE's; if your NLE of choice has a P2 Import function then it wlll talk to the 16GB cards just fine - and the 32GB cards later this year. The first batch of 16GB cards have been allocated to the HPX500 packages Jan has setup; remaining individual cards will be made available after the first orders of 500's have been fulfilled. Panasonic Flagship dealers will get priority for both card & HPX500 package orders; normal retail channels will follow.

May 6th, 2007, 03:14 PM	#27
Jay Lee Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 57	Thanks Robert, I was hoping that was the case, but you know how things are these days with the technology moving so fast. I'd hate to make a purchase recommendation only to find out that the compatibility turns out to be "shiiping sometime in Q3, Q4...". Do you have an HPX500 here in PHX now?

July 1st, 2007, 01:24 AM	#29
Lonnie Bell Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Las Vegas, NV United States Posts: 361	Hi guys, There was quite a bit of talk about the BT-LH80W on this thread, anyone know if it has image flip? Thanks, Lonnie __________________ Lonnie Bell mamas boy productions Las Vegas, NV

July 1st, 2007, 04:45 PM	#30
Mark Donnell Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Silver City, NM Posts: 385	Jan or Robert Can you post the serial number (approximately) of the HVX-200 where no new firmware will be needed ? Also, if a firmware upgrade is needed for using the 16 GB card, will Panasonic be charging to make the upgrade ?