Best lanc controller for XL2

Bryan Aycock · August 14th, 2006, 07:35 PM

Bought the Bogen 521. I was having the same problems, but NO MORE! I went through 2 VZ-Rocks with the same problem. One didn't work at all and the other jiddered. I got the Bogen instead, and love it. It's also cheaper. It's amazing how people assume price = quality. By the way I was using it on the XL2.

Todd Eichel · August 20th, 2006, 09:47 AM

Dude, I totally agree with you. After looking for months at zoom controllers, I finally got the opportunity to test the Bogen 521 (on a Sony HDV camera), and I found out that it was all I'd ever hoped for in a zoom controller. I don't really see how any other could possibly be better as far as the basic function (smooth zooming) goes. And I'm coming from the land of $1000+ studio lens zoom/focus controllers. I am at a loss as to how any of the more expensive LANC controllers could do smooth zooming better than the Bogen 521, because like I said, it was as good as I had ever hoped for (which was for it to feel like the pro equivalents).

Brian Martens · February 22nd, 2007, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan Aycock

Bought the Bogen 521.

What is the difference between the 521 and the 521PRO? Is the the ability to do progressive and custom zoom? I don't want to pay extra for the 521PRO, but if I have to in order to get the progressive zoom then I will.

Also, I've been having a rough time of getting info on the 521 and what it will clamp to. Based on what you've seen would it clamp to a Steadicam Merlin? I realize it's just speculation on your part, but I maybe you can offer a guess since you see how the 521 attaches to a base.

Donovan Cerminara · March 5th, 2007, 08:52 PM

After dealing with an uninformed (and uninterested) lackey at a Calgary camera shop masquerading as a digital video gear provider, (note my disdain), and suffering a delay of over 2 months in shipping, I was finally delighted to receive my Stealth-LX to combine with my Canon XL2.

However, once I plugged in the unit, I discovered that manual focus was only available in ONE direction, and a post-script on the one-page manual stated that the 'Autofocus' button did not work on the XL2.

Put simply, if you are seeking a LANC controller to control manual focus on your XL2, do not buy the Stealth-LX.

Hopefully the PRO-L solves this, or what's the point of having a LANC controller when zoom isn't much of an option in narrative indie filmmaking?

Donovan Cerminara · March 5th, 2007, 08:55 PM

I would like to add that Varizoom's page states the Stealth-LX's deficiency, when it comes to focus and the XL2, in the 'specifications' page, but doesn't really take pains to make that clear.

As my selection of the device occurred over two and a half months ago, I can't help but wonder when that update was made... And Varizoom, perhaps your suppliers could be better informed?

Anyways, still looking at the PRO-L. Fingers crossed!

Roger Moore · May 16th, 2007, 12:20 AM

I read somewhere that Lanc control of the AF (push AF for example) is not possible because the AF<>MF toggle on the lens barrel (both 20x and 3x) is a sliding switch.

I bought a lanc from ebay (a cheap model that comes attached to a tripod) that has +/- focus buttons.

They are good but inexact, useable for moving you to within 90-95% focus but fail to deliver tack sharpness because if you try to fine tune a nearly in focus image by pressing +/- you'll go past the mark because the button presses are too blunt.

I don't know how sensitive the zoom rockers on the more expensive lanc units are, but for manual focus via lanc to work you'd need to design something that had even more responsiveness to subtle finger movements. And I'm not sure that buttons or rockers would ever be able to duplicate the infinitesimal adjustments that you can make on a focus ring.

Martin Smith · July 13th, 2007, 02:19 PM

I was looking at the Bogen / Manfrotto 521PRO Compact Remote Control for Sony and Canon Camcorders. I have the canon xl2 but when reviewing the specs at BH photo the xl2 is not in the list.

Im wondering if this is true and the xl2 is nideed not supported or is it likely the specs are older and do not for one reason or another include the xl2

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...ct_Remote.html

just curious if any xl2 owners have used this and if so whats your experience.

Thanks

Martin Smith · July 24th, 2007, 11:53 AM

I took a chance on this working with the XL2 and it ended up doing just fine.

Attached illustrations with it mounted.

Gints Klimanis · July 26th, 2007, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin Smith

I took a chance on this working with the XL2 and it ended up doing just fine.

Attached illustrations with it mounted.

How are the buttons on these ? Unfortunately, I'm unable to try these out locally , so I have to rely on your opinion . On a tripod, I can see how the nearly flush buttons would still work. I am interested in using this unit on a body harness support (DvMultiRig) and am wondering if the buttons are too sleek to locate without having to eyeball the controller. Do you think a mobile user will be fumbling over these buttons and always having to look at them to find the right one ?

Martin Smith · July 29th, 2007, 09:58 AM

As far as the zoom controller toggle it seems to be placed in quite a natural position so your thumb finds it quite easily, the start / stop button is located closest to the zoom controller.

As far as the buttons go they are slightly raised, (feels like a raised dent) and are easily to locate by touch.

So far I am very pleased.

Marco Leavitt · March 30th, 2009, 02:43 PM

I see Canon makes one that's fairly cheap. Does it have any advantages (for the XL2) over the many other after-market products out there?

David McLaine · April 1st, 2009, 03:03 AM

I use the Manfrotto 523 Pro lanc controller. It replaces the pan bar on my Manfrotto fluid head and is excellent for tripod use. The zoom control is very smooth and has three preset speeds or custom speed. It also has a push auto focus button which is very handy for obtaining quick focus when in manual mode.
All in all I wouldn't be without it.

David

Canon XL2, 20x Lens, Mac Pro, Final Cut Studio

August 14th, 2006, 07:35 PM	#31
Bryan Aycock Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Hammond, LA Posts: 84	Bought the Bogen 521 Bought the Bogen 521. I was having the same problems, but NO MORE! I went through 2 VZ-Rocks with the same problem. One didn't work at all and the other jiddered. I got the Bogen instead, and love it. It's also cheaper. It's amazing how people assume price = quality. By the way I was using it on the XL2.

March 5th, 2007, 08:52 PM	#34
Donovan Cerminara New Boot Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 16	Stealth-LX and the XL2 After dealing with an uninformed (and uninterested) lackey at a Calgary camera shop masquerading as a digital video gear provider, (note my disdain), and suffering a delay of over 2 months in shipping, I was finally delighted to receive my Stealth-LX to combine with my Canon XL2. However, once I plugged in the unit, I discovered that manual focus was only available in ONE direction, and a post-script on the one-page manual stated that the 'Autofocus' button did not work on the XL2. Put simply, if you are seeking a LANC controller to control manual focus on your XL2, do not buy the Stealth-LX. Hopefully the PRO-L solves this, or what's the point of having a LANC controller when zoom isn't much of an option in narrative indie filmmaking? __________________ Donovan Cerminara Bull By the Horns Productions bullbythehorns@gmail.com

March 5th, 2007, 08:55 PM	#35
Donovan Cerminara New Boot Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada Posts: 16	a post-script... I would like to add that Varizoom's page states the Stealth-LX's deficiency, when it comes to focus and the XL2, in the 'specifications' page, but doesn't really take pains to make that clear. As my selection of the device occurred over two and a half months ago, I can't help but wonder when that update was made... And Varizoom, perhaps your suppliers could be better informed? Anyways, still looking at the PRO-L. Fingers crossed! __________________ Donovan Cerminara Bull By the Horns Productions bullbythehorns@gmail.com

July 13th, 2007, 02:19 PM	#37
Martin Smith Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 66	Any additional info on cameras supported for the Bogen / Manfrotto 521PRO I was looking at the Bogen / Manfrotto 521PRO Compact Remote Control for Sony and Canon Camcorders. I have the canon xl2 but when reviewing the specs at BH photo the xl2 is not in the list. Im wondering if this is true and the xl2 is nideed not supported or is it likely the specs are older and do not for one reason or another include the xl2 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...ct_Remote.html just curious if any xl2 owners have used this and if so whats your experience. Thanks

July 24th, 2007, 11:53 AM	#38
Martin Smith Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 66	I took a chance on this working with the XL2 and it ended up doing just fine. Attached illustrations with it mounted. Attached Thumbnails

August 20th, 2006, 09:47 AM	#32
Todd Eichel New Boot Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 9	Dude, I totally agree with you. After looking for months at zoom controllers, I finally got the opportunity to test the Bogen 521 (on a Sony HDV camera), and I found out that it was all I'd ever hoped for in a zoom controller. I don't really see how any other could possibly be better as far as the basic function (smooth zooming) goes. And I'm coming from the land of $1000+ studio lens zoom/focus controllers. I am at a loss as to how any of the more expensive LANC controllers could do smooth zooming better than the Bogen 521, because like I said, it was as good as I had ever hoped for (which was for it to feel like the pro equivalents).

May 16th, 2007, 12:20 AM	#36
Roger Moore Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: toronto Posts: 99	I read somewhere that Lanc control of the AF (push AF for example) is not possible because the AF<>MF toggle on the lens barrel (both 20x and 3x) is a sliding switch. I bought a lanc from ebay (a cheap model that comes attached to a tripod) that has +/- focus buttons. They are good but inexact, useable for moving you to within 90-95% focus but fail to deliver tack sharpness because if you try to fine tune a nearly in focus image by pressing +/- you'll go past the mark because the button presses are too blunt. I don't know how sensitive the zoom rockers on the more expensive lanc units are, but for manual focus via lanc to work you'd need to design something that had even more responsiveness to subtle finger movements. And I'm not sure that buttons or rockers would ever be able to duplicate the infinitesimal adjustments that you can make on a focus ring.

July 29th, 2007, 09:58 AM	#40
Martin Smith Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 66	As far as the zoom controller toggle it seems to be placed in quite a natural position so your thumb finds it quite easily, the start / stop button is located closest to the zoom controller. As far as the buttons go they are slightly raised, (feels like a raised dent) and are easily to locate by touch. So far I am very pleased. Last edited by Martin Smith; July 29th, 2007 at 09:58 AM. Reason: spelling

March 30th, 2009, 02:43 PM	#41
Marco Leavitt Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Albany, NY 12210 Posts: 2,652	Which LANC controller for XL2? I see Canon makes one that's fairly cheap. Does it have any advantages (for the XL2) over the many other after-market products out there?

April 1st, 2009, 03:03 AM	#42
David McLaine Tourist Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Blackpool, UK Posts: 4	manfrotto 523 pro I use the Manfrotto 523 Pro lanc controller. It replaces the pan bar on my Manfrotto fluid head and is excellent for tripod use. The zoom control is very smooth and has three preset speeds or custom speed. It also has a push auto focus button which is very handy for obtaining quick focus when in manual mode. All in all I wouldn't be without it. David Canon XL2, 20x Lens, Mac Pro, Final Cut Studio