Just want to know..

Akos Szemenyei · May 12th, 2003, 08:24 PM

The only way you can add resolution is to use a 16:9 anamorphic lens adapter. This way the camera will use the full resolution of the CCD chips.

Your server is still down so I couldn't look at the picture.

Andreas Fernbrant · May 13th, 2003, 04:30 AM

Server ok again!

www.fernbrant.com/andreas/dvinfo.html
Perhaps you could help me with the ghost aura thing..

/Andreas

Akos Szemenyei · May 13th, 2003, 05:01 AM

Hmm... Looks like it's because of the clipped sun, I think that the cameras ccd chips just cannot handle the contrast ratio between the absolute white and black in a smooth way, so you get a blown out edge compared to the dark subject. If you look at on the right side of your enlarged image it seems to be before the subject is in front of the sun.

More ND is needed I guess. Where is that enlarged image taken from, I saw the glow on the subjects back, but couldn't match it with the enlarged image, also, is it over the whole footage or only in front of to the sun?

Cosmin Rotaru · May 13th, 2003, 08:16 AM

nice! Very nice! All of it!

Dan Holly · May 13th, 2003, 10:24 AM

Good work !

It's so easy (and hard) to go back on your work and change something. That can also take away from the shot and make it look to "cookie cutter".

Personally I like to break the rules, and do something that is not common, or even try to do something no one has done.
IMO you accomplished that with a very simple clip.

Also, to be honest, by a complete fluke, I shot the ending to our film we are working on now in a shoot last year. Again by a complete fluke it is very similar to what you have here.

There is no way I could recreate again due to the clouds and the contrast in the sky, position of the sun, and the reflections that day.

So in effect, I like it.

Rob Lohman · May 13th, 2003, 11:06 AM

Very nice indeed! I was wondering how you moved the camera?

Andreas Fernbrant · May 13th, 2003, 11:22 AM

Rob, I used a cheap trick I made up in my head..
I never attended any filmschool or anything like that. I just have a genuine interest and use every hour I have to figure out nice and fun stuff. I bet this is a common fact in the film/video industry but as I said, I did't take any classes so I don't know..

What my thought was if I move my tripod as far away as possible and zoom max (instead of zoom in or out I zoom max) and then pull the camera back so I get the frame I want. When I pan way back there it feels more like the camera is gliding along on a dolly. If I move closer to the object and have no zoom it would feel more lite a pan with a tripod. I wanted the glide effect.. This was actually the worst camera operation clip (I have 2-3 more with more fluid camera action) but the vault was best in this clip. I don't know what I choose for the final cut.

/Andreas

Robert J. Wolff · May 13th, 2003, 01:13 PM

I found your colouration quite delicate for the situation.

Quite interesting.

Wayne Orr · May 13th, 2003, 01:31 PM

" When I pan way back there it feels more like the camera is gliding along on a dolly. If I move closer to the object and have no zoom it would feel more lite a pan with a tripod."
Excellent, Andreas. Very perceptive of you to pick up on this.

"This was actually the worst camera operation clip (I have 2-3 more with more fluid camera action) but the vault was best in this clip. I don't know what I choose for the final cut."
This even impresses me more than the above. If you actually made a choice based on performance, you are way ahead of most aspiring directors. A very wise DP told me many years ago, "First the actors, then the camera, then the lights." Burn that in your brain, Andreas, and you will have learned volumes.

May 13th, 2003, 10:24 AM	#20
Dan Holly Major Player Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 336	I loved it Good work ! It's so easy (and hard) to go back on your work and change something. That can also take away from the shot and make it look to "cookie cutter". Personally I like to break the rules, and do something that is not common, or even try to do something no one has done. IMO you accomplished that with a very simple clip. Also, to be honest, by a complete fluke, I shot the ending to our film we are working on now in a shoot last year. Again by a complete fluke it is very similar to what you have here. There is no way I could recreate again due to the clouds and the contrast in the sky, position of the sun, and the reflections that day. So in effect, I like it. __________________ Dan Holly Anchorage, Alaska

May 13th, 2003, 11:06 AM	#21
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Very nice indeed! I was wondering how you moved the camera? __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

May 13th, 2003, 01:13 PM	#23
Robert J. Wolff Major Player Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Adirondacks of New York Posts: 210	?wanting to Know I found your colouration quite delicate for the situation. Quite interesting. __________________ Himself

May 13th, 2003, 01:31 PM	#24
Wayne Orr Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Northridge Ca Posts: 734	" When I pan way back there it feels more like the camera is gliding along on a dolly. If I move closer to the object and have no zoom it would feel more lite a pan with a tripod." Excellent, Andreas. Very perceptive of you to pick up on this. "This was actually the worst camera operation clip (I have 2-3 more with more fluid camera action) but the vault was best in this clip. I don't know what I choose for the final cut." This even impresses me more than the above. If you actually made a choice based on performance, you are way ahead of most aspiring directors. A very wise DP told me many years ago, "First the actors, then the camera, then the lights." Burn that in your brain, Andreas, and you will have learned volumes. __________________ Wayne If it was easy, they'd get a relative to do it.

May 12th, 2003, 08:24 PM	#16
Akos Szemenyei Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Saitama, Japan Posts: 111	The only way you can add resolution is to use a 16:9 anamorphic lens adapter. This way the camera will use the full resolution of the CCD chips. Your server is still down so I couldn't look at the picture.

May 13th, 2003, 04:30 AM	#17
Andreas Fernbrant Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sweden - Helsingborg Posts: 283	Server ok again! www.fernbrant.com/andreas/dvinfo.html Perhaps you could help me with the ghost aura thing.. /Andreas

May 13th, 2003, 05:01 AM	#18
Akos Szemenyei Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Saitama, Japan Posts: 111	Hmm... Looks like it's because of the clipped sun, I think that the cameras ccd chips just cannot handle the contrast ratio between the absolute white and black in a smooth way, so you get a blown out edge compared to the dark subject. If you look at on the right side of your enlarged image it seems to be before the subject is in front of the sun. More ND is needed I guess. Where is that enlarged image taken from, I saw the glow on the subjects back, but couldn't match it with the enlarged image, also, is it over the whole footage or only in front of to the sun?

May 13th, 2003, 08:16 AM	#19
Cosmin Rotaru Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Romania, Timisoara Posts: 453	nice! Very nice! All of it!

May 13th, 2003, 11:22 AM	#22
Andreas Fernbrant Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sweden - Helsingborg Posts: 283	Rob, I used a cheap trick I made up in my head.. I never attended any filmschool or anything like that. I just have a genuine interest and use every hour I have to figure out nice and fun stuff. I bet this is a common fact in the film/video industry but as I said, I did't take any classes so I don't know.. What my thought was if I move my tripod as far away as possible and zoom max (instead of zoom in or out I zoom max) and then pull the camera back so I get the frame I want. When I pan way back there it feels more like the camera is gliding along on a dolly. If I move closer to the object and have no zoom it would feel more lite a pan with a tripod. I wanted the glide effect.. This was actually the worst camera operation clip (I have 2-3 more with more fluid camera action) but the vault was best in this clip. I don't know what I choose for the final cut. /Andreas