pricing on full kit ....

Tyson Perkins · November 18th, 2006, 08:25 AM

And also what do we really need prospect HD - if we have alot of time to edit and do not the added convience for 2000?

Will the final price on the full kit be 20,000 guaranteed?

David Newman · November 18th, 2006, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyson Perkins

And also what do we really need prospect HD - if we have alot of time to edit and do not the added convience for 2000?

Prospect HD (actually Prospect 2K which SI-2K bundles) offers much more than performance. The integrated look system will work much better with the full CineForm post tools, including the curves and color matrix management. This will give you control overall the "raw" processing through out the editing process, effectively a high dynamic range workflow whenever you need. The alternative is to "cook" the look into another file format and edit that, there is significant flexibility loss. Original Prospect 2K was going to come as standard with the camera, yet there was a valid argument that multiple camera shoots may only need one Prospect 2K license. Camera and workflow are designed to work together, it will be best to have a Prospect 2K license.

Steve Nordhauser · November 18th, 2006, 10:49 AM

The pricing of our cameras is $12.5K for the SI-2K Mini in c mount, $13.5K with PL mount, $20K for the SI-2K c mount, $21K for the PL mount. Our edit suite (Cineform Prospect 2K with Adobe Premiere) is $2K when purchased with a camera.

The Mini includes the SiliconDVR software and AC power supply. The SI-2K includes the full recording camera, 7" touchscreen viewfinder and arm, and a shipping case (SiliconDVR is built in).

On the question of bundled vs unbundled, our original camera shown at NAB was a 1080p camera. Since many people wanted the lenses unbundled anyway, when we went to a full 2K, we chose to avoid a price increase by unbundling the lenses. We still sell them separately ($400-$500 each) for those who want them. Many people already had Prospect HD and Premiere so they became separate also. (Prospect 2K is much more expensive than HD). We did create the edit bundle with both Prospect 2K and Premiere that is MUCH less than the standard prices, only for our customers.
Steve

Don Donatello · November 18th, 2006, 11:51 AM

"still tossing up between the mini with a good lense or the DVR with stock lense "

i think it depends on your projects ... have you heard of DV rack ? - over 1394 cable records from DV/HDV/HVX camera to laptop ... it works excellent interiors ... and it works excellent if you have control of exteriors = permit , set up tent for laptop etc ...
without a tent i just can't see the Laptop screen on exteriors , have to constantly be careful of cable between lap & camera - just too much trouble to set up for run-n-gun type shooting ...
IMO with the SI 2k DVR you have the BEST of both worlds .. you have a camera that you can run-n-gun , less problems exteriors and at any time you can use it as a mini ... but if you're just doing interior interviews or SFX shoots on a stage then mini only is good choice ..

Thomas English · November 18th, 2006, 12:25 PM

Tyson, I think you should definately by the full DVR solution and some cheap lenses.

Remember you can always hire in top glass at a moments notice if the job requires it but you will not be able to get a DVR on hire.

Tyson Perkins · November 18th, 2006, 03:33 PM

So how much am i looking at with all inc. some cheap glass?

Jason Rodriguez · November 20th, 2006, 04:24 PM

Well, depends on what you want to get for "cheap" glass.

I know you can purchase a single Optar prime lens for around $2K. So you could have two optimal focal lengths in your kit for around $4K.

There's the Fujinon C-mount lenses which are an option, but they do not have the same ergonomics as the Optars. They run around $350 a piece.

Of cousre there's always used 16mm and S16 zooms. You can get a good Cooke or Zeiss for around $2-4K. That's usually a great option as well.

November 18th, 2006, 10:49 AM	#18
Steve Nordhauser Silicon Imaging, Inc. Join Date: May 2004 Location: Troy, NY USA Posts: 325	Pricing The pricing of our cameras is $12.5K for the SI-2K Mini in c mount, $13.5K with PL mount, $20K for the SI-2K c mount, $21K for the PL mount. Our edit suite (Cineform Prospect 2K with Adobe Premiere) is $2K when purchased with a camera. The Mini includes the SiliconDVR software and AC power supply. The SI-2K includes the full recording camera, 7" touchscreen viewfinder and arm, and a shipping case (SiliconDVR is built in). On the question of bundled vs unbundled, our original camera shown at NAB was a 1080p camera. Since many people wanted the lenses unbundled anyway, when we went to a full 2K, we chose to avoid a price increase by unbundling the lenses. We still sell them separately ($400-$500 each) for those who want them. Many people already had Prospect HD and Premiere so they became separate also. (Prospect 2K is much more expensive than HD). We did create the edit bundle with both Prospect 2K and Premiere that is MUCH less than the standard prices, only for our customers. Steve __________________ Silicon Imaging, Inc. We see the Light! http://www.siliconimaging.com

November 18th, 2006, 12:25 PM	#20
Thomas English New Boot Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: UK Posts: 24	Tyson, I think you should definately by the full DVR solution and some cheap lenses. Remember you can always hire in top glass at a moments notice if the job requires it but you will not be able to get a DVR on hire. __________________ thomas english www.thomasenglish.co.uk

November 18th, 2006, 08:25 AM	#16
Tyson Perkins Major Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: sydney, australia Posts: 221	And also what do we really need prospect HD - if we have alot of time to edit and do not the added convience for 2000? Will the final price on the full kit be 20,000 guaranteed?

November 18th, 2006, 11:51 AM	#19
Don Donatello Hawaiian Shirt Mogul Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: northern cailfornia Posts: 1,261	"still tossing up between the mini with a good lense or the DVR with stock lense " i think it depends on your projects ... have you heard of DV rack ? - over 1394 cable records from DV/HDV/HVX camera to laptop ... it works excellent interiors ... and it works excellent if you have control of exteriors = permit , set up tent for laptop etc ... without a tent i just can't see the Laptop screen on exteriors , have to constantly be careful of cable between lap & camera - just too much trouble to set up for run-n-gun type shooting ... IMO with the SI 2k DVR you have the BEST of both worlds .. you have a camera that you can run-n-gun , less problems exteriors and at any time you can use it as a mini ... but if you're just doing interior interviews or SFX shoots on a stage then mini only is good choice ..

November 18th, 2006, 03:33 PM	#21
Tyson Perkins Major Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: sydney, australia Posts: 221	So how much am i looking at with all inc. some cheap glass?

November 20th, 2006, 04:24 PM	#22
Jason Rodriguez Trustee Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 1,095	Well, depends on what you want to get for "cheap" glass. I know you can purchase a single Optar prime lens for around $2K. So you could have two optimal focal lengths in your kit for around $4K. There's the Fujinon C-mount lenses which are an option, but they do not have the same ergonomics as the Optars. They run around $350 a piece. Of cousre there's always used 16mm and S16 zooms. You can get a good Cooke or Zeiss for around $2-4K. That's usually a great option as well.