March 29th, 2014, 10:51 PM | #751 | |
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But even if Windows were rock solid it has two huge problems for me: viruses that kill my friends computers on a regular basis and a 1990's GUI. It's butt ugly. And, MS has spread this ugly to Office. To me, MS products just scream "we don't give a damn because we make a ton of money because our OS must be on every computer not sold by Apple." Moreover, Apple OS is free. I'd have to spend money to buy 8.1 just before 9 arrives. It's a no win game. Oh -- and there's not a single bit of Windows-only software that I would ever want or use. The big video guys are on the Mac.
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March 30th, 2014, 12:21 AM | #752 | |
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I got a Sager laptop way back in 2008 that came with dual video cards, in SLI configuration. They do exist. Also, SSD drives can be installed in any laptop (well, not sure about Apple Products), just take out the HDD and install the SDD, same fit, etc. That 2008 laptop had 3 HDDs and now I've got it running with one HDD and two SDD in RAID. About the RAM thing... I have 16GB in my newer 2011 Sager laptop, but I believe you can get them with up to 64GB now. I only edit on laptops since I got the Sager. I just don't agree with your form-factor limitation for 4K. The camera under discussion doesn't even have that high of a data rate. I sometimes shoot to Prores 422 or uncompressed. I use Adobe PP to edit those, on my laptop. Mark |
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March 30th, 2014, 02:20 AM | #753 | |
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Now about editing 4k on a laptop, another windows based solution would be Edius which can use proxy files as well, I can edit anything I"d like in that way on my I5 lenovo business laptop that has just minimal specs, it is only too slow to do the converting part which I do on a more powerfull desktop pc and then just export my edit to the laptop; once I have done my editing with the laptop in the field I can just reimport those changes to my desktop pc for more critical adjustments like colorcorrecting or checking for any focus issues on a big screen, and finally to export the whole thing to web, dvd, blu-ray and so on. the only thing I would ask myself is if this would be a good solution to edit 4K files, for reviewing purpose I would like to have a 4K screen connected as well if needed, I would find it difficult judging 4K focus for instance on a 15 inch laptopscreen. |
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March 30th, 2014, 02:26 AM | #754 |
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Steve, that's quite a tale you tell. I have 8 windows laptops and 3 windows desktops and 1 Mac. Half of them have windows 8 and the other half windows 7 They all run beautifully and I haven't had a virus since 2003.
As far as metro you don't have to use it if you don't want o. Just resort back to the old start menu. It takes about a good hour to learn windows 8 and it's rock solid. Every problem that you have on a PC you can bet you have on a Mac. And if you don't believe that just google it. A good for instance would be to google "macbook overheating". And from there you can google any problem you find on a PC and it shows up on Macs in large numbers. This Mac Vs PC has got to be the silliest argument in the world. |
March 30th, 2014, 03:32 AM | #755 |
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so you do all your "general editing"... inside a car using a laptop in the parking lot at Wal-Mart? Hey whatever works for you... my projects allow me to do all my editing... after we are done shooting... in a comfortable room.. with a workstation and calibrated monitor and speakers. Nice leather chair too. Much easier than any laptop configuration.
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March 30th, 2014, 03:39 AM | #756 |
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I think the ones posting about their fantastic laptop editing solutions... like the small monitors.
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March 30th, 2014, 04:00 AM | #757 |
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Look at real world 4K video tests... go ahead and put 50 layers of 4K video and tell me how fast is plays on any laptop.
Pushing Apple's new Mac Pro and Final Cut Pro X to their limits - fcp.co I didn't mean to hijack this thread about the Sony FDR-AX100 camcorder... editing 4K video is a totally different topic, maybe this should be a new thread. |
March 30th, 2014, 04:21 AM | #758 | |
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When Apple created the new Mac Pro, it had ONE market really in mind, and that was 4K video editing. If you are NOT editing video, there is really no reason the buy the newest MacPro. It actually does not get very good benchmarks on "games". It is the COMBINATION of working with Final Cut Pro and the new dual FirePro D700 GPU cards that make the workstation scream. So if you want to compare "apples and oranges"... oh I couldn't resist. A new workstation for editing is just like any other tool. I don't let a brand name determine which gear I use, I use the best tool for the price. The new MacPro needs to be seen as a hardware AND a software solution. If you don't like using Final Cut Pro, then no reason to get the new MacPro. But if you do like the software, then there really is one best choice right now for running Final Cut Pro — and that is the new Mac Pro. Maybe there might be a laptop with dual FirePro D700 coming soon, but right now it doesn't exist. |
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March 30th, 2014, 05:44 AM | #759 | ||
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With my current pc set up I know I could handle about anything I trow at it, even high bitrate 4k files, only not in it's native format, for that I would have to convert to a intermediate file, the only downside to that would be the extra disc space needed. This looks about the same when Hdv started to appear, a lot of pc systems at that time where choking on it and you needed expensive rendercards to save some export times, pc hardware development goes so fast soon 4k will be dealt with as easy as you would handle avchd now. Quote:
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March 30th, 2014, 06:28 AM | #760 |
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I guess Edius Professional, used by a number of network affiliates, are not one of 'the big guys'. There are others but I find these generalizations a bit overdone. The main video editor used on the Mac is FCP. Period.
Most others simply don't run on a Mac and they are, of course, dismissed out of hand by Mac fans as not being as good. If it doesn't run on a Mac it's not worth considering. This is kind of silly. I'd like to get back to the AX100 which I think was the topic of this thread. But let me end with this, years ago it WAS true, Mac was the only game in town for stable video editing and FC was the only good editing program. For those that still believe this, it's time to come out of your cave, it is simply untrue. Living in the past is unproductive. Choices abound on the windows platform (unlike the Mac) and not just choices, excellent choices. Both the Mac and the PC are, IMO, equally adept at video editing and it comes down to which program do you prefer and what will it run on. Back to the AX100, please. |
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Oh, and not everyone puts '50 layers of 4K video' in their editor. |
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March 30th, 2014, 06:55 AM | #762 |
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One last comment about the PC/Mac. At the moment they are all Intel PC's. Stability depends on what software is running and how up to date the drivers are loaded. I like making my own PC's so my choice of course is the PC. I usually make to the best price point in the cycle and my current PC started as an i7 2600K and now has a i7 3770K it has been running stable for several years with NO problems. As a PC with only editing software loaded it only goes to the internet for program updates I have a totally separate PC for mail and WEB browsing loaded with virus protection and Malware programs etc.
I have loaded Adobe Production Suite CS6, Vegas 11 and 12, Edius Pro7 as well as several other programs like TMPGenc, Sound Forge, Spectral Layers. All work happily together without crashing. Vegas and Edius will use the Intel QUicksync for fast encoding. For Edius this means a BLuray compliant AVC file from the timeline in about half the realtime. A 2 hour timeline in under 1 hour output on my PC. Back to 4K editing. I have had my FDR-AX1 for about 4 months and have found the following. I shoot 60P XAVC-S 150Mbps. Pros: Beautiful picture when viewed at 1920x1080 from the camera or downscaled in software. Dynamic range appears larger. Crop re-framing works as I wanted it to in good light. My only reason for getting the camera. Cons: Low light performance is not good, a stop or two slower than my other cameras. Focusing is even more critical than HD. Compute requirements are large. Vegas will playback with reduced preview resolution at full frame rate. Edius will playback at close to full frame rate with buffer hovering at 2. Converting to intermediate file also takes a long time , just like it did when HDV and AVCHD appeared !! Decoding the LongGOP takes cores so I think a new 8 core or dual Xeon is my next build !! Ron Evans |
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Has anyone tried an SDXC card with a capacity greater than 64 gig? Perhaps 128 gig? If so, do they work as reliably as the 64 gig cards do?
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I've still been playing around with the camera, overall the image is just gorgeous! I do wish it's low light performance was better though, it doesn't feel like it's significantly better in that regard to my NX30. I tried the small Sony stereo add on mic as well which I happen to have, this one: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BJSYV4S ...and it works well with this camera. I also just orderded the Zunow WCX-08 wide conversion lens which has a 62mm thread and hence can fit the AX100. I always need a wide conversion lens for situations that are really tight, hopefully this one wont degrade the 4k image too much. |
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