Which setup is better
 

I am looking to step up my "game" big time. I was looking at the x70 but was wondering if I would be just as good with the ax100 along with the beachtek DXA-HDV microphone adapter.

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You'll need to provide some extra info. e.g. how important is 4K to you? Or HD recording at 4:2:2? etc.

I recently purchased the X70 as it fit my needs the best. I had created a spreadsheet to list attributes in priority order (e.g. 4:2:2, cost, weight, native editing, etc.) and then scored each cam. That really helped me make my decision.

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My biggest requirement right now is low light quality and then the ability to record in 4k in the near future.

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In terms of low light there's no difference between the two as they are essentially the same camera. Personally, I find having to bolt on an audio solution a bit of a pain. The less gear to fiddle around with the better when it comes to weddings for me.

I have the X70 and CX900 (2k version of the AX100). The X70 is easier to use for me. Quite a few buttons to assign functions to and easier to grip for handheld work. Also you have XLR audio inputs for you out of the box. Menu is easier to navigate as well.

If you need 4k right now then AX100 would probably be your best bet. Not sure if the 4k upgrade for the X70 is out yet? If 4k isn't urgent I would go for the X70.

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I agree with Jon. If you can afford the X70 go for it. I have the 2 AX100s and regret not going for the X70.

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I sold my AX-100 to buy an X70. There are enough extra features on the camera to make it much better for production in the field. The audio handle is a huge improvement and it records in 24 bit. Menus are more professional and many features accessible via programmable buttons that require digging into menus on the AX100.

That said I do miss the 4k feature and the XAVC-L codec is a real pain right now as many programs (Adobe CS6 and Sony Vegas) do not support it.

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I am definitely leaning more toward the x70. I am by no means a videographer. I got roped into videoing special services at church and youth programs. I have been using a VERY amateur videocamera which I would think most on this board may not recognize as a video camera. The Sony HDR-CX160. Not to say that in a snobbish way it's just that camera was not meant to do what everyone here does and that is doing professional work. So I am trying to step up my "game" when it comes to my videoing. I have a blast with photography still a hobby though. But anyway I appreciate the input and I was looking to pull the perverbial trigger but wanted to know what mic you guys thought would work well with it. I was chatting with B&H and they recommended any of the following:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/758139-REG/Sony_ECM_VG1_ECM_VG1_Electret_Condenser_Microphone.html
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/495302-REG/Audio_Technica_AT875R_AT875_Short_Condenser_Shotgun.html
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/367746-REG/Rode_NTG_1_NTG_1_Condenser_Shotgun_Microphone.html

They, B&H, have been great to talk to. They are the ones that got me looking into the X70. I was originally looking at the Canon AX20 & AX 25. But I thought that I would get advise from actual users of the X70 and not just take a salesperson's word for it.

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There are huge differences between the Sony X70 and Canon's AX20. The X70's sensor provides very crisp HD footage with virtually no aliasing. Whereas the AX20 will have a decent amount of interpolation and aliasing (sensor is labeled as 'native' 1920x1080, but that doesn't appropriately describe things due to its bayer pattern). Also, the X70 can record in-camera 10-bit 4:2:2 vs I believe the Canon's 8-bit 4:2:0.

I can't speak to your microphone question as I'm looking at getting a stereo mic rather than a shotgun (fits my needs better).

One other thing to consider in your budget are storage requirements of your footage. I have roughly estimated 150 GB per hour of footage for projects with my X70 (XAVC-L 50Mbps typically at 1080p 29.97). This includes the original footage plus a backup, ProRes 422 transcoded footage (not backed up), Blu-ray output plus a backup and web output plus a backup.

Another nice thing about the X70 is it can record in lower bit-rates and also at 8-bit. So that gives you more options if file size is an issue.

Finally, the price of the X70 is really nice. I picked mine up soon after it dropped to its current USD 1,999 price. The XA25 from Canon is USD 500 more than that and basically adds an HD-SDI connector to the XA20. As you probably already know, the X70 has that connector.

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One more thing to remember about the AX100 is that there are no picture controls besides the normal picture profile and some other presets like retro or toy camera. The standard profile looks good, but if you want something flatter or need to match some other cameras, you're going to have some issues doing that in camera.

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Question regarding the audio recording on the X70. How do you monitor the volume on it? Is there an audio meter like a have on my Beachtek?

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There are audio levels on the LCD screen. Though they are simplified and don't include any indicators on them to indicate dB levels. I still have to conduct a mini project to find out what point is the -12dB level (how many dots of the meter will be filled at that level).

I've heard/read a review where if using built-in audio, the meters are obscured while you adjust the level up/down. I don't think that happens at all though with using an external mic (don't know yet as my mic is still on order).

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Ricky, the meters are not obscured when adjusting audio manually no matter what your audio source, at least not on the AX100. I have a quick access button set for audio and adjust it all the time whilst recording, works like a charm.

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Should have actually tried that before I wrote :) On the X70, the level adjustment box (at least for internal audio) does obscure the level meters a bit. The bottom edge of the channel 1 meter can still be seen though it's right up against the yellow level value). And the outer edge of the level meter box cuts right through the middle of channel 2. I could see that as being annoyinging difficult at times.

Perhaps Sony can move up the audio adjustment box. Or, make it not as tall.

Edit: I also had audio levels assigned to a custom button.

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Can the XLR inputs be set for line in?

When I am recording church programs, I usually take the audio straight from the soundboard so I don't get idle chatter new the camera and candy wrapper noises and such.

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Yes. You can set each channel independently to line, mic or mic +48V.

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There are also attenuation switches for each audio channel. I like that they are mechanical and not inside of software menus. Makes for quick adjustment in the field.

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I am leaning towards getting the audio technical 875r but should I spend the extra dough on the At897 to get the phantom power and battery?

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i have the 897 for my ex1r. its too big for the x70.
get the 875

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I'll pick up the 875R.

Which windscreen should I get? the auray wss-2012 or the auray wsr-2012? Don't know the difference.

Also anything else that I should go ahead and pick up when I buy the X70? I have a 256 GB card for it and extra batteries already.

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Get 2 Cards for simultaneous recording & ideally different brands/ (or at least different batches if they're the same brands)

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A 256 card is a lot, if it fails you will be horrified. Don't put all your eggs in one basket! Better with 2x64 or 2x128 cards. If you are only using AVCHD, plenty of space. Sandisk or Transcend

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I have been recording in AVCHD with my current camera but if I record in XAVC will 64gb be enough for 60 - 90 minutes of recording?

And which windscreen should I get? The only difference that I see is the db levels. Is there that much difference in filtering out noise? I can understand if I was on the beach where there is always a lot of wind.

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You can get 120min.


Mark

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Depending on your mic, you will need a suitable dead cat, but beware, if the mike is too long and you fit it on the camera, you will see it, I mount my Rode NGT1 on the Rode? SRB5?? the mount that they make, then mount it on a hot shoe. . A 64 GB card will give you 143 minutes on XAVC

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Just to chime in here, I own the Sony NX7OU, which I think is the predecessor of the x70. No one talks about the NX7OU. I just picked up the x70 too. Anyway, the nx7 came with the sony mic: ECM-XM1. The mic was great but I wondered if a better mic would give me better quality. I got the Audio Technica AT875R. Granted, I didn't spend a lot and probably got something on-par with the Sony mic that cam with the camera because it didn't sound much better. I also picked up a shockmount to use instead of the built-in mount since a lot of tripod handle noise/vibrations got picked up through the mic. The shockmount definitely helped.

I also got the Rode videomic pro. This, I thought did sound noticeably better. And it has a shockmount built in. You can get a 1/8 to XLR adapter too. It's a very versatile mike. The 1/8th plug allows you to use it with a broad spectum of devices.

Hope this helps.