Evil twin clips? at DVinfo.net

Tim Durham · March 20th, 2008, 02:41 PM

Sorry, I searched for 30 minutes thinking I'd find the answer to this but I couldn't so my question is:

I have recently upgraded to the latest camera firmware and am running FCP 6.02 on a Macbook Pro 2.16GHz. I am STILL experiencing double clips on some, but not all, clips that I import. Is there some quick fix to this?

The strange thing is that if I keep the bin in list mode, I can see the evil twins but if I switch to thumbnail, the twins do not appear. Then if I do a "select all" and copy paste the whole bin into the timeline, I get two copies of each clip in the timeline.

Anybody know what's causing this? I'm thinking it's my camera doing it because none of the other cams in our shop are having this problem. I know the work-around of importing using the transfer tool alone but it's something I'd like to fix (or get fixed) anyway. Thanks in advance.

Greg Boston · March 20th, 2008, 07:31 PM

Tim, I would check out your media import location set with XDCAM Transfer preferences. Next time you get double import into the bin, drop into Finder and see if there are indeed two copies of the same clip, or if FCP is generating an extra clip from the master clip.

Just a thought. I'm not on 6.02 so can't be of total assistance.

-gb-

Andy Mees · March 20th, 2008, 11:05 PM

Just emailed you this Tim, but will post here too as it might generate more comments, workarounds, contradictions and corrections etc

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Yep its a mind bender that one. Reports say it’s triggered when the browser window fills up to the point where it can no longer display all clips visibly ... and as soon as that happens you start getting the weird evil twin issue.
The workaround seems to be to stretch your browser to full height so that it doesn’t over fill in the first place, or to create a new bin and then move your incoming clips into the new bin every now and then (again, so that the browser window doesn’t over fill)
Its bizarre, and I’m not sure it isn’t an FCP bug rather than an XDCAM Transfer bug (as all that is doing is triggering FCP’s Import > XML function)

Simon Wyndham · March 24th, 2008, 11:56 AM

Its an FCP issue and apparently is being worked on.

Joe Lawry · March 24th, 2008, 02:16 PM

I've stopped using Final cut when FAMing, Only open up the Transfer Tool and set my transfer destination. Open the disc name folder into final cut and away we go.

I also have to consistently check that i am monitoring channels 1 and 2 when importing monitored audio channels because sometimes.. for some weird reason, when i select all the clips on the disc.. sometimes not all the clips have 1 and 2 selected.. but others do.

I just put it down to the fact im using Xdcam transfer.. so many bugs.

On a side note, have also just discovered why our D1 deck wouldnt let me layback from Final cut using FAM, the V1 would.. but not the D1..

Something to do with the D1 not liking the metadata final cut was sending it.

The word eventually got back to Sony Japan and they are writing new firmware as we speak..

Hopefully if it works fine on my machine they will then go and release it to the world wide market.

Glad they got onto it so fast.

March 20th, 2008, 02:41 PM	#1
Tim Durham Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 36	Evil twin clips? Sorry, I searched for 30 minutes thinking I'd find the answer to this but I couldn't so my question is: I have recently upgraded to the latest camera firmware and am running FCP 6.02 on a Macbook Pro 2.16GHz. I am STILL experiencing double clips on some, but not all, clips that I import. Is there some quick fix to this? The strange thing is that if I keep the bin in list mode, I can see the evil twins but if I switch to thumbnail, the twins do not appear. Then if I do a "select all" and copy paste the whole bin into the timeline, I get two copies of each clip in the timeline. Anybody know what's causing this? I'm thinking it's my camera doing it because none of the other cams in our shop are having this problem. I know the work-around of importing using the transfer tool alone but it's something I'd like to fix (or get fixed) anyway. Thanks in advance.

March 20th, 2008, 07:31 PM	#2
Greg Boston Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DFW area, TX Posts: 6,117 Images: 1	Tim, I would check out your media import location set with XDCAM Transfer preferences. Next time you get double import into the bin, drop into Finder and see if there are indeed two copies of the same clip, or if FCP is generating an extra clip from the master clip. Just a thought. I'm not on 6.02 so can't be of total assistance. -gb-

March 20th, 2008, 11:05 PM	#3
Andy Mees Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Posts: 645	Just emailed you this Tim, but will post here too as it might generate more comments, workarounds, contradictions and corrections etc ----------------------- Yep its a mind bender that one. Reports say it’s triggered when the browser window fills up to the point where it can no longer display all clips visibly ... and as soon as that happens you start getting the weird evil twin issue. The workaround seems to be to stretch your browser to full height so that it doesn’t over fill in the first place, or to create a new bin and then move your incoming clips into the new bin every now and then (again, so that the browser window doesn’t over fill) Its bizarre, and I’m not sure it isn’t an FCP bug rather than an XDCAM Transfer bug (as all that is doing is triggering FCP’s Import > XML function)

March 24th, 2008, 11:56 AM	#4
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	Its an FCP issue and apparently is being worked on.

March 24th, 2008, 02:16 PM	#5
Joe Lawry Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 418	I've stopped using Final cut when FAMing, Only open up the Transfer Tool and set my transfer destination. Open the disc name folder into final cut and away we go. I also have to consistently check that i am monitoring channels 1 and 2 when importing monitored audio channels because sometimes.. for some weird reason, when i select all the clips on the disc.. sometimes not all the clips have 1 and 2 selected.. but others do. I just put it down to the fact im using Xdcam transfer.. so many bugs. On a side note, have also just discovered why our D1 deck wouldnt let me layback from Final cut using FAM, the V1 would.. but not the D1.. Something to do with the D1 not liking the metadata final cut was sending it. The word eventually got back to Sony Japan and they are writing new firmware as we speak.. Hopefully if it works fine on my machine they will then go and release it to the world wide market. Glad they got onto it so fast.