Sony MRCK1 and Z5 question.... at DVinfo.net

Daniel Zenzel · November 18th, 2009, 08:16 AM

does anyone that owns this combination know if, when using the mrck1, the tape motor still runs if only recording to the CF?

the mrck1 manual says something about a REC/Stop sync without a tape inserted.....

Stelios Christofides · November 23rd, 2009, 12:18 PM

When using the MRC1 only, the tape motor is not running.

Stelios

Ken Grohs · December 22nd, 2009, 10:00 AM

Set the EXT REC CTRL option on the Z5 to EXT ONLY (page 88 of your Z5 manual) and the tape drive is completely out of the picture. All IN/OUT video is via the MRC-1K. You don't even see a tape warning when no tape is loaded.

David J. Payne · August 30th, 2010, 05:52 AM

could I just ask a quick question about this memory card unit...

Does it create a new file every time you press stop? When I capture from tape I work best my scrubbing through 30 min chunks picking out what I want, I dont relish the idea of having hundreds of multiple files as I regularly start and stop recording.

Also I read something about the compact flash cards being FAT32 and having a 4gb (17min) limit... is this correct that a new file is created when it hits this time limit without a break?

Many thanks

David Johns · August 30th, 2010, 06:15 AM

Yes, it does record a new file for every start/stop of the button.

Like you, I prefer one big long chunk of rushes to scroll through - coming from a news background it's much quicker to zip through 30 mins of footage than fart about trying to rename the clips or just find the one you want.

On the other hand, in larger projects I suspect the discipline forced upon me by the "new clip" routine will be good for my soul...

PS Not sure about the 4GB 17 minute limit but I believe the cards are FAT32, yes.

Cheers
Dave

Adam Gold · August 30th, 2010, 11:22 AM

Yes, it starts a new file at about the 17-18 min mark but you can rejoin them seamlessly when you transfer using the Sony Utility that comes with the unit.

David J. Payne · August 30th, 2010, 02:12 PM

Adam,

thanks for your answer, apologies for the multiple post.

As I am not so keen on having 100 5-10 second clips to scan through, but rather one long clip, is it therefore possible to stitch clips together that aren't the ones that reach the 4gb limit?

Adam Gold · August 30th, 2010, 02:33 PM

No, the utility doesn't do this, because even though the timecode might be continuous if you are using REC RUN TC, the date and time data isn't. And if you use FREE RUN TC, as I do, then the TC data isn't continuous either.

Most people find it easier to go through individual clips, I think. I suppose you could place them all on a timeline and render out as one long clip, but then of course you'd probably suffer some generational loss, unless you transcode to something like Cineform first.

Philip Howells · August 31st, 2010, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Payne

As I am not so keen on having 100 5-10 second clips to scan through, but rather one long clip, is it therefore possible to stitch clips together that aren't the ones that reach the 4gb limit?

David, I'm not sure how literal your example is but at least the MRC-1 will give you useable 5 sec clips. Even with DV tape I wonder how much of your taped 5 sec was usable. My newsy days ended with Beta-SP which needed at least 7 secs tape to give the editor enough to properly stabilise.

And of course you'll need a 32Gb CF card to fit in even 100 5 sec files!

November 18th, 2009, 08:16 AM	#1
Daniel Zenzel New Boot Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Perkasie, Pa Posts: 12	Sony MRCK1 and Z5 question.... does anyone that owns this combination know if, when using the mrck1, the tape motor still runs if only recording to the CF? the mrck1 manual says something about a REC/Stop sync without a tape inserted.....

November 23rd, 2009, 12:18 PM	#2
Stelios Christofides Trustee Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Nicosia, CYPRUS Posts: 1,080	When using the MRC1 only, the tape motor is not running. Stelios __________________ My Blog: http://steliosc.blogspot.com "I hope for nothing, I fear nothing, I am free" Nikos Kazantzakis

August 30th, 2010, 06:15 AM	#5
David Johns Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Maidstone, Kent, UK Posts: 190	Yes, it does record a new file for every start/stop of the button. Like you, I prefer one big long chunk of rushes to scroll through - coming from a news background it's much quicker to zip through 30 mins of footage than fart about trying to rename the clips or just find the one you want. On the other hand, in larger projects I suspect the discipline forced upon me by the "new clip" routine will be good for my soul... PS Not sure about the 4GB 17 minute limit but I believe the cards are FAT32, yes. Cheers Dave __________________ www.tubeshooter.co.uk www.youtube.com/ukairscape and www.youtube.com/tubeshootermag

August 30th, 2010, 11:22 AM	#6
Adam Gold Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woodinville, WA USA Posts: 3,467	Yes, it starts a new file at about the 17-18 min mark but you can rejoin them seamlessly when you transfer using the Sony Utility that comes with the unit. __________________ "It can only be attributable to human error... This sort of thing has cropped up before, and it has always been due to human error."

August 30th, 2010, 02:33 PM	#8
Adam Gold Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woodinville, WA USA Posts: 3,467	No, the utility doesn't do this, because even though the timecode might be continuous if you are using REC RUN TC, the date and time data isn't. And if you use FREE RUN TC, as I do, then the TC data isn't continuous either. Most people find it easier to go through individual clips, I think. I suppose you could place them all on a timeline and render out as one long clip, but then of course you'd probably suffer some generational loss, unless you transcode to something like Cineform first. __________________ "It can only be attributable to human error... This sort of thing has cropped up before, and it has always been due to human error."

December 22nd, 2009, 10:00 AM	#3
Ken Grohs Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 395	Set the EXT REC CTRL option on the Z5 to EXT ONLY (page 88 of your Z5 manual) and the tape drive is completely out of the picture. All IN/OUT video is via the MRC-1K. You don't even see a tape warning when no tape is loaded.

August 30th, 2010, 05:52 AM	#4
David J. Payne Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Southend-On-Sea, England Posts: 368	could I just ask a quick question about this memory card unit... Does it create a new file every time you press stop? When I capture from tape I work best my scrubbing through 30 min chunks picking out what I want, I dont relish the idea of having hundreds of multiple files as I regularly start and stop recording. Also I read something about the compact flash cards being FAT32 and having a 4gb (17min) limit... is this correct that a new file is created when it hits this time limit without a break? Many thanks

August 30th, 2010, 02:12 PM	#7
David J. Payne Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Southend-On-Sea, England Posts: 368	Adam, thanks for your answer, apologies for the multiple post. As I am not so keen on having 100 5-10 second clips to scan through, but rather one long clip, is it therefore possible to stitch clips together that aren't the ones that reach the 4gb limit?