Found HDR-HC1 VIDEO CLIP at DVinfo.net

Jung Kyu · June 15th, 2005, 02:26 PM

enjoy

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...5/zooma209.htm

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...5/samp1_hd.wmv HD file

Radek Svoboda · June 16th, 2005, 07:05 AM

I can't play this. Can someone check it and comment, please.

Radek

Mike Farrington · June 16th, 2005, 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radek Svoboda

I can't play this. Can someone check it and comment, please.

I'm no expert, but I thought it looked quite nice for a consumer-level HD camcorder. I'm sorry I can't give you more than that, I'm out of my element here when it comes to assessing about video quality.

Sadly, the 66MB video clip was only 853x480. I would really like to see the full resolution.

I just noticed that the links in the original post have changed from two .MPG files (8MB and 66MB) to a single .WMV file (86MB). I'll comment further on the 86MB version when it finished its download.

-Mike

Pierre Barberis · June 16th, 2005, 08:17 AM

Here is what PVA Strumentro diagnosed on the "original" .mpg files
They do NOT look at all original, but look like SD recorded in MPG !!
And indeed they did not look that great...but colors looked ok ? in spite of ONE CMOS ??

Found 1 video stream.
Found 1 MPEG audio stream.

VIDEO #1
Resolution 720 x 480
Aspect ratio is 16:9
Frame rate 29.97 fps
Nominal bitrate 7620000 bps
First PTS: 00:00:00.900

MPEG AUDIO #1
MPEG1, Layer 2
stereo, sampled at 48.0 kHz.
Bitrate 256 kbps
Each frame contains 24.0 ms audio (768 bytes)
First PTS: 00:00:00.900

Ronan Fournier · June 16th, 2005, 10:34 AM

This sample offers a 1440x1080 resolution (84MB).
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/d...15/samp1_hd.wmv

You should "save the target as" because it's a looooong download, but's it's impressive even if it's not as beautifull as the FX1's samples.

Mike Farrington · June 16th, 2005, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre Barberis

VIDEO #1
Resolution 720 x 480
Aspect ratio is 16:9
Frame rate 29.97 fps
Nominal bitrate 7620000 bps
First PTS: 00:00:00.900

Phew. And I thought I was losing my mind. I saw 853x480 resolution on my work PC, but 720x480 on my home PC. I wasn't going to mention anything, just in case my memory was failing me. 853x480 is 16:9, but 720x480 is not 16:9. I don't know, perhaps the source file was corrected between the time I downloaded it at work and downloaded it at home. I won't know for sure unless I do a byte-for-byte file comparison. Either the files were changed, or I have some sort of codec issue at home that would falsely report 720x480.

Mike Farrington · June 16th, 2005, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronan Fournier

[...]it's impressive even if it's not as beautifull as the FX1's samples.

I agree. I don't think anybody is expecting the FX1's superb quality out of the HC1. For its price and size, it looks like a great compromise.

Mike Farrington · June 16th, 2005, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronan Fournier

This sample offers a 1440x1080 resolution (84MB).
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/d...15/samp1_hd.wmv

I'm confused. Can somebody help me? I downloaded this video clip, and it claims to be 1440x1080 (viewing its properties in WMP10), yet when I play it, it is clearly only 1280x720.

I have plenty of other clips, from FX1, that display 1440x1080. Why is this one only 1280x720 on screen?

Edit: Upon further inspection, it looks like the clip is letterboxed. I cannot expand the width because I am limited by the height. What a pain.

Michal Laskowski · June 16th, 2005, 02:56 PM

Hi all.
It looks like videos were post-processed (in WMV Encoder?) by unsqueezing to 1920x1080, then deinterlaced (or maybe they were shoot allready in CineFrame mode?) and resized to 1440x810 with adding top and bottom black bars - resulting in 1440x1080. This samples doesn't show the whole potential of the camcorder I think.
The available samples for FX1 (e.g. at hd-channel.com) are deinterlaced using one of the best known algorithm and without changing resolution.
But as you mentioned it won't be probably FX1 quality, but maybe a bit better than those sample - although it's allready good :)

Regards

Michael Pappas · June 18th, 2005, 10:39 AM

<<<The available samples for FX1 (e.g. at hd-channel.com) are deinterlaced using one of the best known algorithm and without changing resolution.>>>>

What best known de-interlacer are you referring too?

Michal Laskowski · June 21st, 2005, 11:39 AM

I can't find the info now at hd-channel.com, but when I was looking through sites with FX1 samples there was mentioned ReelSmart FieldsKit plugin or Magic Bullet. If you are interested in deinterlacing look also at free plugins for avisynth - the best is using motion interpolating algorithm.

Regards

Michael Pappas · June 21st, 2005, 05:47 PM

Thanks Michal Laskowski!

Wayne Morellini · June 21st, 2005, 11:52 PM

I am having trouble playing back the HD clip, it goes for a split second or so than pauses and all I get is the audio track. It could be the Duron 1300 (then I should get lots of chop) but have played back native HD10 clips, no problem. Any suggestions?

Wayne.

Pierre Barberis · June 22nd, 2005, 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Pappas

What best known de-interlacer are you referring too?

I have tried two deinterlacing plugins, to work on my FX1 footage.

The first one is the one embedded in the CineForm Aspect HD. From Premiere pro you can Export Movie in the wavelet based .avi format , and ask for the video to be deinterlaced with the help on some checkbox in the Video Rendering panel. The result is excellent, although you have absolutely no choice of any parameters.

I also tried the FIeldsKit deinterlacer plugin from Vision Effects.

http://www.revisionfx.com/rsfkdownloads.htm

It can also be used from Premiere or from any AviSynth or similar program. You have a tremendous choice of parameters, providing effects and all.
As far as simply deinterlacing is concerned, the result seem on par with the Cineform deinterlacing, or may be (very) slightly better if you take time to fine tune depending upon th enature of your footage. The counterpart is a higher rendering time...
Worth trying to make your own mind...

Darren Kelly · June 25th, 2005, 01:11 PM

The clip - the full size one doesn't exist anymore. Maybe he got too much traffic and the server shut him down.

DBK

June 16th, 2005, 08:17 AM	#4
Pierre Barberis Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: MANILA Philippines Posts: 117	No HD in the "test" files ... Here is what PVA Strumentro diagnosed on the "original" .mpg files They do NOT look at all original, but look like SD recorded in MPG !! And indeed they did not look that great...but colors looked ok ? in spite of ONE CMOS ?? Found 1 video stream. Found 1 MPEG audio stream. VIDEO #1 Resolution 720 x 480 Aspect ratio is 16:9 Frame rate 29.97 fps Nominal bitrate 7620000 bps First PTS: 00:00:00.900 MPEG AUDIO #1 MPEG1, Layer 2 stereo, sampled at 48.0 kHz. Bitrate 256 kbps Each frame contains 24.0 ms audio (768 bytes) First PTS: 00:00:00.900

June 18th, 2005, 10:39 AM	#10
Michael Pappas Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: California Posts: 667	<<<The available samples for FX1 (e.g. at hd-channel.com) are deinterlaced using one of the best known algorithm and without changing resolution.>>>> What best known de-interlacer are you referring too? Last edited by Michael Pappas; June 18th, 2005 at 11:51 AM.

June 25th, 2005, 01:11 PM	#15
Darren Kelly Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver Posts: 351	The clip - the full size one doesn't exist anymore. Maybe he got too much traffic and the server shut him down. DBK __________________ Darren Kelly

June 15th, 2005, 02:26 PM	#1
Jung Kyu Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 143	Found HDR-HC1 HD VIDEO CLIP enjoy http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...5/zooma209.htm http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...5/samp1_hd.wmv HD file Last edited by Jung Kyu; June 16th, 2005 at 07:32 AM.

June 16th, 2005, 07:05 AM	#2
Radek Svoboda Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Prague, Czech Republic Posts: 500	I can't play this. Can someone check it and comment, please. Radek

June 16th, 2005, 10:34 AM	#5
Ronan Fournier Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Paris, France Posts: 201	This sample offers a 1440x1080 resolution (84MB). http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/d...15/samp1_hd.wmv You should "save the target as" because it's a looooong download, but's it's impressive even if it's not as beautifull as the FX1's samples.

June 16th, 2005, 02:56 PM	#9
Michal Laskowski New Boot Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 23	Hi all. It looks like videos were post-processed (in WMV Encoder?) by unsqueezing to 1920x1080, then deinterlaced (or maybe they were shoot allready in CineFrame mode?) and resized to 1440x810 with adding top and bottom black bars - resulting in 1440x1080. This samples doesn't show the whole potential of the camcorder I think. The available samples for FX1 (e.g. at hd-channel.com) are deinterlaced using one of the best known algorithm and without changing resolution. But as you mentioned it won't be probably FX1 quality, but maybe a bit better than those sample - although it's allready good :) Regards

June 21st, 2005, 11:39 AM	#11
Michal Laskowski New Boot Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 23	I can't find the info now at hd-channel.com, but when I was looking through sites with FX1 samples there was mentioned ReelSmart FieldsKit plugin or Magic Bullet. If you are interested in deinterlacing look also at free plugins for avisynth - the best is using motion interpolating algorithm. Regards

June 21st, 2005, 05:47 PM	#12
Michael Pappas Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: California Posts: 667	Thanks Michal Laskowski!

June 21st, 2005, 11:52 PM	#13
Wayne Morellini Inner Circle Join Date: May 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 2,762	I am having trouble playing back the HD clip, it goes for a split second or so than pauses and all I get is the audio track. It could be the Duron 1300 (then I should get lots of chop) but have played back native HD10 clips, no problem. Any suggestions? Wayne.