How bad is the rolling shutter effect?

[Steve Mullen]

They certainly were REAL progressive! That's why they needed so much light.

[John McManimie]

Well, as to the rolling shutter effect I asked about... I'll be finding out for myself after my HDR-HC1 arrives from B&H on Thursday! :-)

As for the Optura Pi, I really want to try using it with Serious Magic's ULTRA 2. Using the Plus-90 Mode (allows your video camera to be rotated 90 degrees to use the maximum screen area when capturing your keyed subject) will allow me to produce true 720P with it. Throw in some up-scaling with Red Gaint Software's new $99 InstantHD and who knows? The Optura Pi will never die! :-)

[J. Stephen McDonald]

Originally Posted by Philip Williams

Dude, I don't know if you've just got something against the old Elura/Optura line or what, but please don't patronize me, especially when you are 100% wrong. I'm not very argumentative under normal circumstances, but I'd hate for a reader to stumble upon your post and think these great early Canon's didn't have real progressive scan. Did you even look at the screen shots on my web site? Did you own one of these cams? Or have you just spent a lot of time reading about the GL/XL series frame mode?
Once again: PLEASE LOOK AT THE SCREEN SHOTS
http://www.philipwilliams.com/eluracharts.aspx

Also, please see the following:
http://consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/con...=7379&pageno=1

And this:
http://consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/con...=8272&pageno=0

Oh yeah, and the Elura 2MC as well:
http://consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/con...=7448&pageno=1

Doh! Almost forgot the original Optura:
http://consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/con...=8275&pageno=0

Nothing personal Stephen, but if you're going to spread "information" on this forum and poo poo technical information provided by other readers, consider actually doing research first. All you had to do was go to canondv.com and search for [Optura Progressive Scan] and click on a couple of links.

Well, after looking into it, it appears that the first several of the small Canon DV models had a true progressive scan and were different from those that followed, which had the "frame mode" instead. But, there were some people who doubted this at the time they were introduced. Going by your own remarks on your webpage about "Elura charts", it appears that you were one of the doubters. This is on the first link on your message above and apparently you wrote that page several years ago.

After receiving such a judgmental response from you on the issue, I was surprised and even a bit amused, when I read how you'd at first assumed that your own Original Elura had the "frame mode", instead of progressive scan. Only after doing resolution tests, did you convince yourself that it really had a true progressive mode. I commend you for taking the initiative to find out for yourself. However, I hope that everyone who reads your reply to me, also checks out that webpage.

These are just old pieces of electronic equipment-----we're not discussing politics, religion or our favorite sports teams.

[Philip Williams]

Originally Posted by J. Stephen McDonald

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After receiving such a judgmental response from you on the issue,

Hey Steve, I just provided a quick correction to the wrong info you posted. But instead of leaving it at that, you jumped back without 1 second of additional research and basically implied that I was just gullible in believing Canon's marketing department. I consider your post judgmental and mine just factual. Oh well.

Originally Posted by J. Stephen McDonald

I was surprised and even a bit amused, when I read how you'd at first assumed that your own Original Elura had the "frame mode", instead of progressive scan.

Yes, at the time there was so much FUD going around from authoritative sounding people, that I began to wonder about the progressive scan. The type of FUD not unlike your original post here to "correct" Canon fans about the progressive scan. Glad it amused you, I'm always pleased when people are entertained by my site.

Originally Posted by J. Stephen McDonald

Only after doing resolution tests, did you convince yourself that it really had a true progressive mode. I commend you for taking the initiative to find out for yourself.

Yup, proof is in the pudding.

Originally Posted by J. Stephen McDonald

However, I hope that everyone who reads your reply to me, also checks out that webpage.

I hope so too, especially before they spread FUD.

Originally Posted by J. Stephen McDonald

These are just old pieces of electronic equipment-----we're not discussing politics, religion or our favorite sports teams.

Yes but this forum IS largely about old pieces of electronic equipment. Just because they're old doesn't mean a lot of people aren't still using them. And because people still use these old cams, and because this forum is about those cams, I consider it important to post accurate information. That's all, done and over, I'll stop wasting bandwidth on the issue now.

Good luck all, and John - let us know how you like the HC1!

[John Jay]

Free zbig mode with each new camera


http://www.zbigvision.com/gfx/4D_Multi2.jpg

[John McManimie]

Originally Posted by John Jay

Free zbig mode with each new camera


http://www.zbigvision.com/gfx/4D_Multi2.jpg

Forgive my ignorance, but what does this mean?