workaround to lack of mic options at DVinfo.net

Betsy Moore · July 20th, 2006, 04:17 PM

Has anyone found a workaround to HC3 not allowing standard shotgun mics plugged into it?

Stu Holmes · July 20th, 2006, 11:03 PM

Um, sell the HC3 and get a HC1?
just a little joke..

Seriously, i don't think anyone has found a way round this. If you really want/need to use non-Sony ext.mics, then the HC1 / A1 is really the only way to go i think OR wait til September - the new Sony HiDef models UX1 and SR1 i think BOTH have MIC IN jack which is really a great thing.

Peter Ferling · July 21st, 2006, 02:54 PM

If your run and gun, sorry. As Stu posted, get something else. If your doing a locked off shot and/or interview, the cheapest way is to use another DV camera, (if you have an old one on hand that is), to capture the audio seperately and sync in post.

I have the HC1, with a decent mic and a very short cable, it's good enough.

Jeff DeMaagd · July 21st, 2006, 03:18 PM

One solution I've heard is to use a minidisc recorder and align the recorded material in the editor. I'm sure someone is working on a plug-in solution for the HC3. I would like to.

Douglas Spotted Eagle · July 24th, 2006, 08:59 AM

About the only "workabound" is to tear open the cam, disconnect the internal ribbon connectors, and jerry-rig a new mic connector with cable protruding from the body.
Perhaps you could do the same thing and take over one of the existing jacks, such as replacing the LANC connector with a 3.5mm plug, but I don't know that I'd want to.
The HC3 is designed as an exclusive consumer cam. I'm using one in some professional applications where I don't need audio at all, but that's the only place I could recommend using one.

Danny Fye · July 24th, 2006, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Douglas Spotted Eagle

About the only "workabound" is to tear open the cam, disconnect the internal ribbon connectors, and jerry-rig a new mic connector with cable protruding from the body.
Perhaps you could do the same thing and take over one of the existing jacks, such as replacing the LANC connector with a 3.5mm plug, but I don't know that I'd want to.
The HC3 is designed as an exclusive consumer cam. I'm using one in some professional applications where I don't need audio at all, but that's the only place I could recommend using one.

Wouldn't it be easier and better waranty wise to buy one of those mics from Sony such as the ECM-HST1, open it up and use it to make a jack?

That would take care of the mic problem but not the headphone problem.

Or one could still get an HC1 which is still available at B&H http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...ughType=search

Danny Fye
www.dannyfye.com

Richard Yium · July 24th, 2006, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny Fye

Wouldn't it be easier and better waranty wise to buy one of those mics from Sony such as the ECM-HST1, open it up and use it to make a jack?

That would take care of the mic problem but not the headphone problem.

Or one could still get an HC1 which is still available at B&H http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...ughType=search

Danny Fye
www.dannyfye.com

If you hook up the avout cable and buy an converter that changes from rca to
miniplug you can hear the audio.
I've tried it and it works.

Betsy Moore · July 25th, 2006, 07:17 PM

If I could find an HC1e for a reasonable price I'd definitely do that. I have an FX1e with a fried firewire port and so instead of spending 600 to fix it my dream would be to buy another camera to use as B-roll and to transfer footage to computer. The HC1s listed on ebay seem soooo expensive.

I did try the mini disc recorder thing--and that is definitely the best solution-- BUT too awkward in the recording, don't have the human resources to have an extra person on set for that, and also another time consuming to sync up the massive amount of footage I have in editing.

Danny Fye · July 25th, 2006, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Yium

If you hook up the avout cable and buy an converter that changes from rca to
miniplug you can hear the audio.
I've tried it and it works.

So if one dissects the stereo mic and uses the AV-Out cable with an adapter then one has a mic input and a headphone jack for the HC3.

I'm glad I have 2 HC1's which are still available at B&H and for the time being would be the ideal fix.

Danny Fye
www.dannyfye.com

Yoochul Chong · July 26th, 2006, 08:05 AM

http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/...reless_mic.php

this should solve some of your problems. it has an audio jack to monitor the audio coming in.

Jeff DeMaagd · July 26th, 2006, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoochul Chong

http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/...reless_mic.php

this should solve some of your problems. it has an audio jack to monitor the audio coming in.

Audio jack? That's pretty cool.

Jeff DeMaagd · July 26th, 2006, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betsy Moore

If I could find an HC1e for a reasonable price I'd definitely do that. I have an FX1e with a fried firewire port and so instead of spending 600 to fix it my dream would be to buy another camera to use as B-roll and to transfer footage to computer. The HC1s listed on ebay seem soooo expensive.

Are you shooting for PAL countries or is there some other reason you want the "E" model?

Betsy Moore · July 26th, 2006, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff DeMaagd

Are you shooting for PAL countries or is there some other reason you want the "E" model?

1) Already have the FX1e so must match that

2) Shooting a no budget feature so need the 50i to best convert to 25/24p

3) Couldn't afford the Z1

4) I like making my life difficult

Roger Garcia · July 27th, 2006, 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoochul Chong

http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/...reless_mic.php

this should solve some of your problems. it has an audio jack to monitor the audio coming in.

Has anyone tried this? The non-directional mic doesn't sound too promising for use for say, interviews etc. I wonder what the quality is like, and if the bluetooth connection is stable.

Martin Pauly · July 27th, 2006, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roger Garcia

Has anyone tried this?

You may want to take a look at this thread:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=70021

I doubt it's a match for higher end wireless systems, but it has been useful for me many times when the camera had to be far away from the scene. So far, I have not experienced any problems with the bluetooth connection, as long as I had good batteries in the transmitter.

- Martin

July 20th, 2006, 04:17 PM	#1
Betsy Moore Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 444	workaround to lack of mic options Has anyone found a workaround to HC3 not allowing standard shotgun mics plugged into it?

July 21st, 2006, 02:54 PM	#3
Peter Ferling Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Wyomissing, PA Posts: 1,141 Images: 57	If your run and gun, sorry. As Stu posted, get something else. If your doing a locked off shot and/or interview, the cheapest way is to use another DV camera, (if you have an old one on hand that is), to capture the audio seperately and sync in post. I have the HC1, with a decent mic and a very short cable, it's good enough. __________________ Pete Ferling http://ferling.net It's never a mistake if you learn something new from it. -------------------------------------------

July 24th, 2006, 08:59 AM	#5
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	About the only "workabound" is to tear open the cam, disconnect the internal ribbon connectors, and jerry-rig a new mic connector with cable protruding from the body. Perhaps you could do the same thing and take over one of the existing jacks, such as replacing the LANC connector with a 3.5mm plug, but I don't know that I'd want to. The HC3 is designed as an exclusive consumer cam. I'm using one in some professional applications where I don't need audio at all, but that's the only place I could recommend using one. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

July 20th, 2006, 11:03 PM	#2
Stu Holmes Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 844	Um, sell the HC3 and get a HC1? just a little joke.. Seriously, i don't think anyone has found a way round this. If you really want/need to use non-Sony ext.mics, then the HC1 / A1 is really the only way to go i think OR wait til September - the new Sony HiDef models UX1 and SR1 i think BOTH have MIC IN jack which is really a great thing.

July 21st, 2006, 03:18 PM	#4
Jeff DeMaagd Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Grand Rapids, MI, USA Posts: 202	One solution I've heard is to use a minidisc recorder and align the recorded material in the editor. I'm sure someone is working on a plug-in solution for the HC3. I would like to.

July 25th, 2006, 07:17 PM	#8
Betsy Moore Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 444	If I could find an HC1e for a reasonable price I'd definitely do that. I have an FX1e with a fried firewire port and so instead of spending 600 to fix it my dream would be to buy another camera to use as B-roll and to transfer footage to computer. The HC1s listed on ebay seem soooo expensive. I did try the mini disc recorder thing--and that is definitely the best solution-- BUT too awkward in the recording, don't have the human resources to have an extra person on set for that, and also another time consuming to sync up the massive amount of footage I have in editing.

July 26th, 2006, 08:05 AM	#10
Yoochul Chong Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 72	http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/...reless_mic.php this should solve some of your problems. it has an audio jack to monitor the audio coming in.