HVR-V1U: Sony unveils new 24P HDV camcorder

Chris Hurd · September 19th, 2006, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry Green

will someone develop (or has someone already developed?) an HDMI->HDSDI converter box to allow uncompressed 4:2:2 digital HD recording?

Convergent Design's HD-Connect MI

http://www.convergent-design.com/CD_...DConnectMI.htm

Wes Vasher · September 19th, 2006, 01:20 PM

I watched some footage shot on an HVX200 at 1280x720 60p and I have to say it was quite amazing. It was similar to 60i video in the smoothness but it looked different. There was just some other-worldly quality about it, like looking out a window almost. I have to say I liked the way it looked more than 24p. This is all on a computer display so it was full progressive all the way. It was beautiful.

As an experiment I rendered one of my 3D animations at 60p and played it back and it had the same quality, really amazing. So my point is, good for slow mo yes, but will we ever have content delivered to us in 60p? The look of it is just nice IMHO. It looks real without having that live TV feel.

Barry Green · September 19th, 2006, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Wes Vasher

but will we ever have content delivered to us in 60p?

Turn on your HDTV and watch any HD broadcast on Fox, ESPN, or ABC. They're already broadcasting 720/60p. The Super Bowl, "24", "Prison Break", "American Idol", etc.

As for 1080/60p, that's what everyone has on their radar but there are no 1080/60p broadcast/delivery/transmission systems in place yet.

Ash Greyson · September 19th, 2006, 06:37 PM

Definitely a step in the right direction but I will wait for bigger chips. I bet Sony has a cam a step above this coming in the next year.

ash =o)

Bill Pryor · September 19th, 2006, 10:17 PM

I'm gonna play Bill Maher here and cite The Rule:

The Rule: It shall be illegal, immoral and otherwise unacceptable for anybody to buy this V1U and then get on the boards and whine about "how do I get shallow depth of field...."

Chris Hurd · September 19th, 2006, 10:21 PM

Especially when all they gotta do is zoom into the telephoto end for super-shallow D.O.F.

Boyd Ostroff · September 19th, 2006, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ash Greyson

Definitely a step in the right direction but I will wait for bigger chips.

I wouldn't sell this camera short until you have a chance to see it in person and watch the footage on a high quality screen. We watched footage today on a big 20+ foot screen and it really blew me away. In terms of image quality and picture controls, I'd gladly trade my Z1. I really don't think you'd know that this camera had 1/4" chips unless someone told you.

Douglas Spotted Eagle · September 19th, 2006, 10:45 PM

As Boyd said...and as I said, and as John Alpert said, and everyone else that has seen this cam...bigger ain't always better. Shallow DOF isn't hard with this cam at all, and comparing the 1/4 to 1/3...doesn't mean much overall.
Look, here's the bottom line...you can pull slide rules, calculators, opinions, and past history all you want. As far as I'm concerned, all that does is demonstrate that you're not truly in this biz for the purpose of creativity but more for being a measurebator. Wait til you see the cam before passing judgement.
For the first time in my life last year, I bought a camcorder based on marketing hype and opinion. I waited a long time for it, and was very excited to receive it. I was terribly disappointed. So rather than worry about whether the marketing hype is good, whether the feature set is bad, whether this, that, or the other thing is good, just wait n' see. Don't get caught up in the hype or excitement from the perspective of listening to me, I'm obviously in love with it, as is everyone who sees it. But that doesn't mean it's the right camera for you.
Frankly, I thought the BEST part of the day was seeing a very true to life depiction of AVCHD vs MPEG 2, and why you won't see useful AVC in any format in any professional camcorder for some time to come. The demonstration media shown was compelling, and explained a lot about why too many folks get caught up in the math and specs and not enough time looking at "real world" pictures and uses.

Boyd, it was great meeting you in person!! Same to you, Michael, it was great to meet you both. I'm tweaked tho...I didn't get a cool jacket and I think you guys did! ;-)
Chris, you missed one hell of a presentation.

Michael Wisniewski · September 19th, 2006, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Boyd Ostroff

... I'd gladly trade my Z1 ...

Whoa! That says a lot right there. I'd say more, but Boyd threatened to put me to work if I ever visited Philadelphia :-)

Boyd Ostroff · September 19th, 2006, 10:51 PM

Great to finally meet in person Spot! I shot still photos of those format comparison examples from Hugo's presentation and have sent them to Chris. I'm sure you'll find them online here when Chris gets a chance to catch up with things.

Chris Hurd · September 19th, 2006, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Spot

Chris, you missed one hell of a presentation.

Yeah, by the time my wife and I finally stumbled into bed around 4am Monday morning after an all-night drive back from a thoroughly rigorous and exhausting horse show last weekend, I was thinking "this is why I had to cancel that trip to New York." We spent yesterday and most of today entirely in recuperation. Really sorry I missed this thing... I need to clone myself!

Chris Hurd · September 19th, 2006, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Boyd Ostroff

I'm sure you'll find them online here when Chris gets a chance to catch up with things.

Sorry y'all... it'll have to wait for the morning (GMT -6).

Michael Wisniewski · September 19th, 2006, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Douglas Spotted Eagle

...I didn't get a cool jacket and I think you guys did! ;-) Chris, you missed one hell of a presentation.

Yeah it was great to meet both of you Boyd and Spot, too bad about the jacket, but there's a jacket on the way for you Chris as soon as you send me your mailing address. And yes that was one hell of a presentation, the MPEG-2 vs AVCHD portion was quite an eye opener. I think Boyd got a lot of it with his digital camera - in between wishing his Z1 could do that :-) The presentation convinced me we probably won't see AVCHD in professional applications for a long while, if ever.

Boyd Ostroff · September 19th, 2006, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Wisniewski

Whoa! That says a lot right there.

I base that comment largely on the landscape examples they were running because I love shooting that kind of thing. The PDX-10 was a good start for me several years ago with its high quality widescreen mode, but the Z1 was a big step forward. Nevertheless I always wish I could see more detail in complex scenes with trees and fields. The stuff I saw today sure looked like it was a major improvement to me. I think this camera should also be very attractive to wildlife photographers with the 20x zoom and 1.5x digital extender.

Heath McKnight · September 19th, 2006, 11:20 PM

To follow up on what Spot said. In 2003, I bought the first "mini-hd" camera and was thoroughly disappointed. I recently sold it and am happy for that!

Test a camera before passing judgment. A room full of blogging pundits don't know what's right for YOU.

heath

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September 19th, 2006, 10:45 PM	#38
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	As Boyd said...and as I said, and as John Alpert said, and everyone else that has seen this cam...bigger ain't always better. Shallow DOF isn't hard with this cam at all, and comparing the 1/4 to 1/3...doesn't mean much overall. Look, here's the bottom line...you can pull slide rules, calculators, opinions, and past history all you want. As far as I'm concerned, all that does is demonstrate that you're not truly in this biz for the purpose of creativity but more for being a measurebator. Wait til you see the cam before passing judgement. For the first time in my life last year, I bought a camcorder based on marketing hype and opinion. I waited a long time for it, and was very excited to receive it. I was terribly disappointed. So rather than worry about whether the marketing hype is good, whether the feature set is bad, whether this, that, or the other thing is good, just wait n' see. Don't get caught up in the hype or excitement from the perspective of listening to me, I'm obviously in love with it, as is everyone who sees it. But that doesn't mean it's the right camera for you. Frankly, I thought the BEST part of the day was seeing a very true to life depiction of AVCHD vs MPEG 2, and why you won't see useful AVC in any format in any professional camcorder for some time to come. The demonstration media shown was compelling, and explained a lot about why too many folks get caught up in the math and specs and not enough time looking at "real world" pictures and uses. Boyd, it was great meeting you in person!! Same to you, Michael, it was great to meet you both. I'm tweaked tho...I didn't get a cool jacket and I think you guys did! ;-) Chris, you missed one hell of a presentation. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

September 19th, 2006, 11:20 PM	#45
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	To follow up on what Spot said. In 2003, I bought the first "mini-hd" camera and was thoroughly disappointed. I recently sold it and am happy for that! Test a camera before passing judgment. A room full of blogging pundits don't know what's right for YOU. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

September 19th, 2006, 01:20 PM	#32
Wes Vasher Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 440	I watched some footage shot on an HVX200 at 1280x720 60p and I have to say it was quite amazing. It was similar to 60i video in the smoothness but it looked different. There was just some other-worldly quality about it, like looking out a window almost. I have to say I liked the way it looked more than 24p. This is all on a computer display so it was full progressive all the way. It was beautiful. As an experiment I rendered one of my 3D animations at 60p and played it back and it had the same quality, really amazing. So my point is, good for slow mo yes, but will we ever have content delivered to us in 60p? The look of it is just nice IMHO. It looks real without having that live TV feel.

September 19th, 2006, 06:37 PM	#34
Ash Greyson Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,689	Definitely a step in the right direction but I will wait for bigger chips. I bet Sony has a cam a step above this coming in the next year. ash =o)

September 19th, 2006, 10:17 PM	#35
Bill Pryor Contributor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 4,449	I'm gonna play Bill Maher here and cite The Rule: The Rule: It shall be illegal, immoral and otherwise unacceptable for anybody to buy this V1U and then get on the boards and whine about "how do I get shallow depth of field...."

September 19th, 2006, 10:51 PM	#40
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,787	Great to finally meet in person Spot! I shot still photos of those format comparison examples from Hugo's presentation and have sent them to Chris. I'm sure you'll find them online here when Chris gets a chance to catch up with things.