HVR-V1U: A First Look, by D.S.E. at DVinfo.net

Chris Hurd · September 19th, 2006, 12:41 PM

Thanks for submitting this, Spot!

http://www.hdvinfo.net/articles/sony/firstlookv1u.php

Bob Zimmerman · September 19th, 2006, 12:51 PM

sounds pretty good and no in camera mic. I like that too.

Chris Barcellos · September 19th, 2006, 12:56 PM

Para2 seems to show 24p movement jitter, or than the para1. Were they shot or processed different ? Or is that just me...

Aaron Frick · September 19th, 2006, 01:11 PM

Great!!! Everything I have been looking for. Any idea on shipping date and MSRP?

Chris Barcellos · September 19th, 2006, 01:13 PM

December 2006, about $ 4,800 msrp.

Xavier Etown · September 19th, 2006, 01:42 PM

So the press release claims 60P but DSE doesn't mention it. Is the official spec sheet out?

Steven White · September 19th, 2006, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xavier Etown

So the press release claims 60P but DSE doesn't mention it. Is the official spec sheet out?

Probably because there's no way for the camcorder to output 1080p60.

-Steve

Stu Holmes · September 19th, 2006, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xavier Etown

So the press release claims 60P but DSE doesn't mention it. Is the official spec sheet out?

I saw that too and I'm 99% certain thats simply an error in the press release (surprising i have to say!).

its 60i and not 60p.

Here's a spec sheet for V1U :
http://bssc.sel.sony.com/Broadcastan...-V1U/spec.html

Marvin Emms · September 19th, 2006, 02:20 PM

I am concerned that 960x1080 is not a self consistant resolution for the diagonal pixel arangement, and that no mention has been made to confirm or deny that the unit suffers from the same (ClearVid intrinsic) diagonal resolution problems of the HC3.

Douglas, are you willing/allowed to comment on these?

Nate Weaver · September 19th, 2006, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Barcellos

Para2 seems to show 24p movement jitter, or than the para1. Were they shot or processed different ? Or is that just me...

Something is up with Para2. It looks like somehow pulldown to 29.97 interlace got added, and then when resized down to 1280x720 and 23.98 fields got blended.

Para 1 looks superb though. Resized down to 720p it looks nicer and more refined than my HD100 ever did. I would consider Para1 to be the one we should be looking at, and ignore Para2 for the time being.

Chris Barcellos · September 19th, 2006, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stu Holmes

I saw that too and I'm 99% certain thats simply an error in the press release (surprising i have to say!).

its 60i and not 60p.

Here's a spec sheet for V1U :
http://bssc.sel.sony.com/Broadcastan...-V1U/spec.html

Is it possible 60p is going to be available by upgrade in the future- by some sort of an upgrade when and if that format becomes more standard??.

Barry Green · September 19th, 2006, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Barcellos

Is it possible 60p is going to be available by upgrade in the future- by some sort of an upgrade when and if that format becomes more standard??.

There is no 60p output on this product. It internally processes at 60p, but the only output is 1080/60i (whether 24p embedded in 60i, 30p embedded in 60i, or 60i as 60i).

Chris Barcellos · September 19th, 2006, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry Green

There is no 60p output on this product. It internally processes at 60p, but the only output is 1080/60i (whether 24p embedded in 60i, 30p embedded in 60i, or 60i as 60i).

Barry:

I understand, and I don't pretend to understand the technical side of it. So you experts will know this better than I. But what I was trying to find out is that with the available onboard processing capability, could an upgrade in the on board software, be accomplished by some upgrade process, and if so, does the camera have the hardware to get it out. Edit: I think I remember Canon offering some upgrade recently like that...

I think I read your response to mean "no way".

Barry Green · September 19th, 2006, 04:24 PM

Well, there's no way to know. There is no 1080/60p format out there, there's no broadcast standard for it, so I doubt they've designed an upgrade path for something that doesn't exist yet. Possible but I'd be surprised.

Now, if Juan at www.reel-stream.com were to Andromedize this, then there'd be a way to get 60p out of it, but other than that it's doubtful.

Chris Barcellos · September 19th, 2006, 04:42 PM

I'm guessing 60p's primary benefit would be for better slow motion production. Could the human eye really tell the difference between 30 full frames per second and 60 fps ? I kind of doubt it since, there is such a marked difference between 24 fps and 30 fps.

The way I see it, the real promising aspect of this camera is getting 30 and 24p into the HDV 1440 x 1080 frame without loss of resolution?

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Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	Para2 seems to show 24p movement jitter, or than the para1. Were they shot or processed different ? Or is that just me... __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

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Aaron Frick Contributor Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: New Mexico Posts: 71	Great!!! Everything I have been looking for. Any idea on shipping date and MSRP? __________________ Land of Enchantment, New Mexico

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September 19th, 2006, 01:42 PM	#6
Xavier Etown Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 71	60p? So the press release claims 60P but DSE doesn't mention it. Is the official spec sheet out?

September 19th, 2006, 12:51 PM	#2
Bob Zimmerman Major Player Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Illinois Posts: 888	sounds pretty good and no in camera mic. I like that too.

September 19th, 2006, 02:20 PM	#9
Marvin Emms Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: UK Posts: 204	I am concerned that 960x1080 is not a self consistant resolution for the diagonal pixel arangement, and that no mention has been made to confirm or deny that the unit suffers from the same (ClearVid intrinsic) diagonal resolution problems of the HC3. Douglas, are you willing/allowed to comment on these?

September 19th, 2006, 04:24 PM	#14
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	Well, there's no way to know. There is no 1080/60p format out there, there's no broadcast standard for it, so I doubt they've designed an upgrade path for something that doesn't exist yet. Possible but I'd be surprised. Now, if Juan at www.reel-stream.com were to Andromedize this, then there'd be a way to get 60p out of it, but other than that it's doubtful.

September 19th, 2006, 04:42 PM	#15
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	I'm guessing 60p's primary benefit would be for better slow motion production. Could the human eye really tell the difference between 30 full frames per second and 60 fps ? I kind of doubt it since, there is such a marked difference between 24 fps and 30 fps. The way I see it, the real promising aspect of this camera is getting 30 and 24p into the HDV 1440 x 1080 frame without loss of resolution? __________________ Chris J. Barcellos