V1 truly worth it over the Z1? 1080p?

Heath McKnight · October 15th, 2006, 10:04 PM

We're shooting some stuff with the V1 while we make my film 9:04 AM and thus far, it's pretty cool. No S video input/output, though...

heath

Piotr Wozniacki · October 16th, 2006, 02:14 AM

No s-video output at all, or just the supplied A/V cable without an s-video? With HC1, for instance, the supplied A/V does not contain s-video, but it is actually output and you can get it using the A/V cable version as per the A1... So, did you check it?

Sean Hsieh · October 16th, 2006, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Piotr Wozniacki

No s-video output at all, or just the supplied A/V cable without an s-video? With HC1, for instance, the supplied A/V does not contain s-video, but it is actually output and you can get it using the A/V cable version as per the A1... So, did you check it?

I believe if this is the case, it will work with S-Video perfectly fine. It's just a matter of wiring and should work if you have the s-video cables.

Heath McKnight · October 16th, 2006, 05:12 AM

No S video output. Having said that, it's a great camera so far!

hwm

Bill Pryor · October 16th, 2006, 08:26 AM

color correction.....................No..........................Yes

What does that mean in relation to the Z1? No color correction?

Piotr Wozniacki · October 16th, 2006, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heath McKnight

No S video output. Having said that, it's a great camera so far!

hwm

I think you're wrong:
http://bssc.sel.sony.com/Broadcastan...-V1U/spec.html

A/V OUT jack, 10-pin connector
Composite video: 1 Vp-p, 75Ω unbalanced, sync negative
Y: 1 Vp-p, 75Ω unbalanced
C: 0.286 Vp-p, 75Ω unbalanced
Audio: 327 mV input impedance more than 47 kΩ, output impedance less than 2.2 kΩ

Clearly, the Y/C signals are there; so it's just a question of the right cable (the one with s-video is needed)

Pierre Barberis · October 16th, 2006, 01:24 PM

But who cares about S-video ?
Anyhow, you are going to read the stream from the tape ( or through some Firewire) and edit it.
For Direct viewing, HDMI/DVI and YUV are much netter .. SO if it has one S-Video it should never be used...

Could we go back to the original question of this thread ???

Bill Pryor · October 16th, 2006, 01:35 PM

The originnal question, Is the V1 worth it over the Z1?

I'd say if you don't already own a Z1 and you want 24p more than 1/3" chips, then the V1 might be a better deal because it's significantlly cheaper. But if you already have a Z1, you can use Nattress' effects of DVFilmmaker to get to 24p when you edit. If I were going to buy a camera today and both were avaialble, I would definitely consider the V1.

Bob Zimmerman · October 16th, 2006, 01:37 PM

I would buy the V1 over the Z1.

Heath McKnight · October 16th, 2006, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piotr Wozniacki

I think you're wrong:
http://bssc.sel.sony.com/Broadcastan...-V1U/spec.html

A/V OUT jack, 10-pin connector
Composite video: 1 Vp-p, 75? unbalanced, sync negative
Y: 1 Vp-p, 75? unbalanced
C: 0.286 Vp-p, 75? unbalanced
Audio: 327 mV input impedance more than 47 k?, output impedance less than 2.2 k?

Clearly, the Y/C signals are there; so it's just a question of the right cable (the one with s-video is needed)

Let me look at the camera...Nope. BUT, this is a prototype. Composite is A/V and RCA.

heath

Lynne Whelden · October 16th, 2006, 07:30 PM

This seems to be the latest fad in Sony cameras. In fact, I just bought a 10 pin a/v cable today for my HC3. It provides BOTH s-video and composite video as well as two rca audio plugs. These cables run between $40 and $70 depending on length (1.5 m and 3 m). So it sounds like you can access s-video from the V1.

Heath McKnight · October 16th, 2006, 07:42 PM

Hmm, interesting. Maybe that's how we'll connect it to S.

hwm

Heath McKnight · October 16th, 2006, 07:57 PM

Getting back to the topic at hand...here's a still of some Z1 footage from my film, color corrected and at 1/2 res (and 23.98 fps):

http://www.904am.com/photos.php?pic=23

I think the Z1 is still a great, great camera. I'll have more thoughts on the V1 in a few days. So far, small things leading up to something cool while we're shooting the movie.

heath

Floris van Eck · October 16th, 2006, 08:01 PM

Thanks Heath! It is really cool that someone is shooting with the camera. And not just sample footage, but test it for movie production in the middle of a production. That will be a good test for the camera.

Heath McKnight · October 16th, 2006, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Floris van Eck

Thanks Heath! It is really cool that someone is shooting with the camera. And not just sample footage, but test it for movie production in the middle of a production. That will be a good test for the camera.

Oh yeah, that's why we're doing it. I'm VERY excited about this camera. It's smaller than the Z1, but still cool.

For the record, I love the Z1, DVX100a/b and in the higher-end realm, the F900 from Sony. Those are the cameras that have been good to me.

heath

October 15th, 2006, 10:04 PM	#16
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	We're shooting some stuff with the V1 while we make my film 9:04 AM and thus far, it's pretty cool. No S video input/output, though... heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

October 16th, 2006, 02:14 AM	#17
Piotr Wozniacki Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 4,086	no S-video output No s-video output at all, or just the supplied A/V cable without an s-video? With HC1, for instance, the supplied A/V does not contain s-video, but it is actually output and you can get it using the A/V cable version as per the A1... So, did you check it?

October 16th, 2006, 05:12 AM	#19
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	No S video output. Having said that, it's a great camera so far! hwm __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

October 16th, 2006, 07:30 PM	#26
Lynne Whelden Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: williamsport, pa Posts: 604	10 pin connectors This seems to be the latest fad in Sony cameras. In fact, I just bought a 10 pin a/v cable today for my HC3. It provides BOTH s-video and composite video as well as two rca audio plugs. These cables run between $40 and $70 depending on length (1.5 m and 3 m). So it sounds like you can access s-video from the V1.

October 16th, 2006, 07:42 PM	#27
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Hmm, interesting. Maybe that's how we'll connect it to S. hwm __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

October 16th, 2006, 08:26 AM	#20
Bill Pryor Contributor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 4,449	color correction.....................No..........................Yes What does that mean in relation to the Z1? No color correction?

October 16th, 2006, 01:24 PM	#22
Pierre Barberis Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: MANILA Philippines Posts: 117	But who cares about S-video ? Anyhow, you are going to read the stream from the tape ( or through some Firewire) and edit it. For Direct viewing, HDMI/DVI and YUV are much netter .. SO if it has one S-Video it should never be used... Could we go back to the original question of this thread ???

October 16th, 2006, 01:35 PM	#23
Bill Pryor Contributor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 4,449	The originnal question, Is the V1 worth it over the Z1? I'd say if you don't already own a Z1 and you want 24p more than 1/3" chips, then the V1 might be a better deal because it's significantlly cheaper. But if you already have a Z1, you can use Nattress' effects of DVFilmmaker to get to 24p when you edit. If I were going to buy a camera today and both were avaialble, I would definitely consider the V1.

October 16th, 2006, 01:37 PM	#24
Bob Zimmerman Major Player Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Illinois Posts: 888	I would buy the V1 over the Z1.

October 16th, 2006, 07:57 PM	#28
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Getting back to the topic at hand...here's a still of some Z1 footage from my film, color corrected and at 1/2 res (and 23.98 fps): http://www.904am.com/photos.php?pic=23 I think the Z1 is still a great, great camera. I'll have more thoughts on the V1 in a few days. So far, small things leading up to something cool while we're shooting the movie. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

October 16th, 2006, 08:01 PM	#29
Floris van Eck Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 993	Thanks Heath! It is really cool that someone is shooting with the camera. And not just sample footage, but test it for movie production in the middle of a production. That will be a good test for the camera.