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Tony Tremble November 3rd, 2006 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Douglas Spotted Eagle
Where is the incentive?

If I sound a bit bitter, it's likely because I am. After having uploaded footage from 5 different cams in the past 3 years...I think I've gotten perhaps 2-3 "thank you's" and easily 50-60 gripes.

It's a shame it has become a thankless task uploading clips from new cams. I am sure the treatment that was handed down to Simon also prevented him uploading any of the clips he had. I mean why bother.

The internet is no different to the "real world" where the thoughtless minority **** it up for the rest of us.

Chris Hurd November 3rd, 2006 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Tony Tremble
The internet is no different to the "real world" where the thoughtless minority **** it up for the rest of us.

We're trying hard to change that here at DV Info Net. It's been difficult given our explosive growth, but we're trying.

Bill Pryor November 3rd, 2006 08:18 AM

You need to put up a slogan: DVInfo.net...Changing the World One Whiner at a Time :)

Michael Liebergot November 3rd, 2006 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Douglas Spotted Eagle
The V1 is not the same as the FX7. I've never held the FX7, so have nothing to post from that particular camcorder.
I've posted a lot of V1 footage, but in the process of branding it so it doesn't find its way all over the web with others crediting themselves for the footage (which happened with the Z1/A1 footage we posted) it damages the quality of the file and we only hear whining. So...you'll have to wait until the V1 starts shipping, I suppose.

Spot, although the FX7 doesn' have the obvious things that the V1 has (Black stretch, balanced XLR audio, progressive filming).
From what I have been able to gather, doesn't the FX7 share the same CMOS optics.
So the visual quality of the 2 cameras (when not shooting progressive) would be the same? So video shot in low light and heavily backlit situations should be identicle (again I am stating, not progressive video but interlaced).

Douglas Spotted Eagle November 3rd, 2006 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael Liebergot
Spot, although the FX7 doesn' have the obvious things that the V1 has (Black stretch, balanced XLR audio, progressive filming).
From what I have been able to gather, doesn't the FX7 share the same CMOS optics.
So the visual quality of the 2 cameras (when not shooting progressive) would be the same? So video shot in low light and heavily backlit situations should be identicle (again I am stating, not progressive video but interlaced).

effectively, yup. The V1 has more "grown up" DSP, but all things set to null, they'd be identical.
So, since FX7's are now on the shelf at B&H, we'll start seeing some real-world comments on it, and probably see some clips uploaded from camera owners.

Mark Fry November 3rd, 2006 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael Liebergot
Spot, although the FX7 doesn' have the obvious things that the V1 has (Black stretch, balanced XLR audio, progressive filming).
From what I have been able to gather, doesn't the FX7 share the same CMOS optics.
So the visual quality of the 2 cameras (when not shooting progressive) would be the same? So video shot in low light and heavily backlit situations should be identicle (again I am stating, not progressive video but interlaced).

I seem to remember seeing a link to a feature comparisson between the V1 and FX7. I've just been searching this forum for the link but can't find it (obviously not using the right keywords...) Can anyone point me to it, please?

Michael Liebergot November 3rd, 2006 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Fry
I seem to remember seeing a link to a feature comparisson between the V1 and FX7. I've just been searching this forum for the link but can't find it (obviously not using the right keywords...) Can anyone point me to it, please?

This might be the link:
http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content...0-Compared.htm

or this one comparing just teh 2 cameras.

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content...7-Compared.htm

Michael Liebergot November 3rd, 2006 09:40 AM

BTW, for anyone who wants teh FX7 manual to thumb through.

Here it is:

I'm going to see if the Sony Style store have received shipment yet to take a look.

Here's the PDF manual for the FX7.
http://media.sonyhdvinfo.com/media/f...ting_Guide.pdf

Neal Wagner November 3rd, 2006 01:34 PM

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If I sound a bit bitter, it's likely because I am. After having uploaded footage from 5 different cams in the past 3 years...I think I've gotten perhaps 2-3 "thank you's" and easily 50-60 gripes.
DSE, just a note to tell you that I am greatly influenced by your excellent clips and they are very significant in my selection process between the V1U and the XH-A1 cameras. Judging by your clips and Kato's, they are both excellent cameras and I think the HDD option, HDMI (for my Sony flat panel), the 30x (for birds & watersports) and the 24/30p sway me to the Sony.
So, thank you.

Douglas Spotted Eagle November 3rd, 2006 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Fry
I seem to remember seeing a link to a feature comparisson between the V1 and FX7. I've just been searching this forum for the link but can't find it (obviously not using the right keywords...) Can anyone point me to it, please?

there is a slightly more in-depth, and accurate chart of differences to be found at:
http://www.sundancemediagroup.com/ar...comparison.htm

Daniel Boswell November 3rd, 2006 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Wagner
Judging by your clips and Kato's, they are both excellent cameras and I think the HDD option, HDMI (for my Sony flat panel), the 30x (for birds & watersports) and the 24/30p sway me to the Sony.
So, thank you.

Just to clarify, you meant 20x zoom..correct?

Chris Hurd November 3rd, 2006 02:14 PM

I'm pretty sure he means 30x, which is available beyond the 20x optical zoom via the Extended Zoom feature. Unlike most digital zoom "effects," the one on the FX7 / V1 is actually quite useable.

Neal Wagner November 3rd, 2006 03:42 PM

30x
 
Yes, 30x using extended zoom means around 1100mm (35mm equivalent) -- important to me for wildlife and ocean sports shooting.
Just to put it in perspective, if I bought a $5400 500mm stabilized lens for my Canon 5D plus a 1.4x Canon lens extender I'd have 700mm (although with a lot more resolution in pixels) so HD footage with the V1U using 30x is an exciting prospect. The Canon XH-A1 does not have the digital extender, so this adds up to a V1U advantage for my uses.

Daniel Boswell November 3rd, 2006 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Wagner
Yes, 30x using extended zoom means around 1100mm (35mm equivalent) -- important to me for wildlife and ocean sports shooting.
Just to put it in perspective, if I bought a $5400 500mm stabilized lens for my Canon 5D plus a 1.4x Canon lens extender I'd have 700mm (although with a lot more resolution in pixels) so HD footage with the V1U using 30x is an exciting prospect. The Canon XH-A1 does not have the digital extender, so this adds up to a V1U advantage for my uses.

This is great news!

I was not aware of that feature. So it is not optical but the algorithm Sony uses is better than your typical consumer digital zoom?

You're right about it being an advantage over the A1. i have an A1 sitting in my living room right now that I bought in part due to the 20x zoom. But the Canon has a different range and it does not offer the kind of zoom I am looking for.

I should have paid better attention to the specs.

My A1 is up for sale and I will wait for the V1 in December.

Mark Fry November 7th, 2006 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Fry
I seem to remember seeing a link to a feature comparisson between the V1 and FX7. I've just been searching this forum for the link but can't find it (obviously not using the right keywords...) Can anyone point me to it, please?

Thanks for the links, everyone.


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