Record to JVC 30000U DVHS from FX1?
 

I have a refurbished JVC 30000U and will definitely be buying the Sony FX1. I know the 30000U can handle 1080i, 720P, 480P and 480i and in the "HS" mode the bit rate is 28 Mbps, but does anybody out there forsee any problems transferring footage from the FX1 to the 30000U via the firewire?

Thanks,
Aldo.

Aldo,

I would go out on a limb and bet that the FX1 will work with any D-VHS deck including those by JVC.

I'm sure the HDV standard included the firewire connections on the cameras and so far the JVC has been 100% on the D-VHS side from information I've read.

On a side note that I pointed out with the HD1, they also will connect to firewire (I.link) capable HDTVs especially those by Sony.

Troy

Yes, the JVC DVHS (30k and 40k models) can handle both 720p and 1080i.

heath

<<<-- Originally posted by Troy Lamont : Aldo,

I would go out on a limb and bet that the FX1 will work with any D-VHS deck including those by JVC.

I'm sure the HDV standard included the firewire connections on the cameras and so far the JVC has been 100% on the D-VHS side from information I've read.

On a side note that I pointed out with the HD1, they also will connect to firewire (I.link) capable HDTVs especially those by Sony.

Troy -->>>

It will only work if HDV format uses the same type ot transport stream as DVHS. Having firewire means nothing if recording format is different.

Chris,

That is not true at all. I have dubbed many things from HDV to D-VHS with no problems, via firewire or component video, including uprezzing to 1080i.

heath

They do use the same protocol. That's one of the main selling points of JVC HD Universe. HD10->30K and vice versa.

Troy

I believe the DVHS is the same mpeg2-ts as HDV, hence the ease of use.

heath

I read somewhere else that they do not share the same transport stream and this may prohibit the use of a DVHS out, at least direct from the camera.

720p uses TS or "transport stream." 1080i uses PES, or "packetized elementary stream." I have absolutely no idea what that means other than the author maintained that the DVHS is not compatable with this type of encoding.

Since I am in the process of putting together a DV, wait, scratch that, HDV edit solution and am leaning toward Avid at the moment, Avid contends that they have developed thier own HD codec that will decode any inbound HD format and output to anything you desire. I would assume that would include DVHS as I would also assume all the other NLEs will be doing much the same thing.

One thing I did think of with the FX1 (1080i)--HDV2 (the HD10/HD1, 720p, is HDV1)--may NOT be compatible with DVHS, but I doubt it.

heath

The FX1 conforms to the HDV standard and therefore it will be compatible with D-VHS in either 720p or 1080i.

Troy

You may want to be careful about making such absolute statements unless you have a camera and DVHS deck to test that against.

I'd bet my HD1 on it! Any takers? :)

Troy

Other than the 1080i60 feature, I'm almost positive it will be compatible with DVHS. Same transport stream as HDV. But we won't know 100% until the camera comes out, of course.

heath

Well I'll eat those words!
 

I guess the HDV standard isn't really all that much of a standard afterall!?

Personally I think Sony really, really dropped the ball on this one! I mean no Blu-Ray either!!!!!!

I won't be getting into the FX1 until I can at least record it Blu Ray, by that time I'm sure another model or two might be introduced. As a part of my future forward thinking it was good to know that because of the TS nature of the HD1 I could at least record to Blu-Ray disk (or possibly HD-DVD) in the short term future. No dice with the FX1.

This also means it can't connect via I.Link to their HDTV sets for direct digital viewing. Talk about rushing the job! Tsk Tsk

Horrible move Sony!

Troy

Info courtesy of Steve Mullen via his FX1 pre-review

Hey Heath, over at Mullen's site he says the FX1 can't be recorded to the D-VHS deck.

"....FX1’s i.LINK output cannot be recorded to D-VHS."

Take a look:

http://home.earthlink.net/~dvcnyc/Sony%20HDR-FX1.htm

Murph

Oh, yeah, I've already spoken to someone who knows HDV, which is why, if you look around here, I've changed my answers to "not sure until the camera comes out."

Damn, that is a major disappointment.........not only no firewire output to D-VHS, but also not to HD TV or blue ray recorders. And another note in Mullen's review, no way to edit 1080i:

"Bottom line until Apple, Avid, Adobe, Pinnacle, Sony (Vegas, VIAO, and XPRI), and Ulead release the 1080i HDV support they all announced at IBC—you may not be able to edit 1080i HDV. "

Despite all this, I probably will still get the camera. Afterall, these are all software issues that can be resolved, no??? In the meantime I'll just down convert to SD to view, edit and create DVDs.

No worries, both CineForm and Lumiere HD promise we'll be able to edit 1080i HDV.

heath

Steve wrong?!
 

Based on the chart listed here, it would appear that the stream type over firewire would still be an MPEG2 TS stream. I'm not sure if just the data on the tape is saved as a PES and then output as TS over firewire or not.

Anyone else's take on that data chart?

Another realization that I had was given the fact that Ulead, Sony and all the other video editing software makers have their 1080i editing plugins in the works, they may allow a straight conversion from PES to TS and that would allow you to then output the stream via firewire to a D-VHS machine, Blu-Ray machine or another TS compatible device. All may not be lost! Here's to hope! :-)

Troy

Update:
 

Based on the manual it seems as if the FX1 can be directly connected to a firewire equipped display device and playback HD.

Pg 90 of the manual specifically lists ~40 Sony firewire equipped HDTVs that are compatible with the FX1. These HDTVs are also compatible with the HD1/10 (which I have personally tested) which concludes that the firewire output from the FX1 would also be compatible with D-VHS decks. All of these firewire sources are MPEG2-TS compatible.

Troy