Z1U 50i downconverted to SD? at DVinfo.net

Justin Lomax · October 22nd, 2005, 03:51 AM

When shooting with the PAL option on the Z1U at 50i (or even CF25) what steps are necessary to be able to edit in HDV at 24fps, but then transfer the video to an NTSC 30fps signal for use on a DVD?
I want to be able to shoot in the 50i or CF25 mode and then convert to 24fps. I have read a lot of forums on the topic but have yet to here one clear step by step solution. Any suggestions?

Boyd Ostroff · October 22nd, 2005, 08:20 AM

Take a look at DVFilm Maker. I think it will do all of this, although I'm not completely sure about the 25cf to 24p part....

http://www.dvfilm.com/maker/index.htm

Steve Crisdale · October 23rd, 2005, 08:08 AM

This is the sort of query that should be in the HD/HDV editing forum... not so much about the cam - more about what to do with what it records post the event!!

You are much more likely to get the sorts of responses you're after there.

Boyd's suggestion is one to look at; although (correct me if I'm wrong) but I thought DVFilm Maker was a Mac only app...

If you run PC then it'll depend on the NLE you use to an extent. I believe you can use Gearshift (for Vegas) for the sort of frame rate adjustments you are after.

John Rofrano · October 23rd, 2005, 09:06 AM

Yes you can use GearShift to convert to a 24p SD proxy but, as was pointed out, you need to be using Sony Vegas as your NLE. You can work with that and then render to 24p using the original M2T files. GearShift automates the swapping of proxies to M2T at the push of a button.

Another good workflow is to use CineForm Connect HD. This will allow you to capture in 24p. What you do is shoot CF25 and Connect HD has an option to convert that to 24p and slow the audio down by 4% as you capture. What you get is a 24p stream to work with that you can also render from because it’s a very high quality AVI file using the CineForm codec.

If you are serious about 24p with the Z1, you should download the trial of Connect HD and give it go.
The step-by-step instructions would be:

Step 1: Shoot CF25
Step 2: Capture to 24p using CineForm Connect HD or use GearShift to make 24p
Step 3: Set your NLE up for a 24p project and do all you editing in 24p
Step 4: Render to 24p MPEG2 for DVD (let the DVD player worry about the 2:3 pulldown AND you’ll get more movie per DVD)

I would not output back to 30fps (60i) because your DVD play has the ability to play 24p MPEG movies. Just keep everything 24p all the time.

~jr

October 22nd, 2005, 03:51 AM	#1
Justin Lomax Tourist Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 2	Z1U 50i downconverted to SD? When shooting with the PAL option on the Z1U at 50i (or even CF25) what steps are necessary to be able to edit in HDV at 24fps, but then transfer the video to an NTSC 30fps signal for use on a DVD? I want to be able to shoot in the 50i or CF25 mode and then convert to 24fps. I have read a lot of forums on the topic but have yet to here one clear step by step solution. Any suggestions?

October 23rd, 2005, 09:06 AM	#4
John Rofrano Sponsor: VASST Join Date: May 2005 Location: New York Posts: 516	Yes you can use GearShift to convert to a 24p SD proxy but, as was pointed out, you need to be using Sony Vegas as your NLE. You can work with that and then render to 24p using the original M2T files. GearShift automates the swapping of proxies to M2T at the push of a button. Another good workflow is to use CineForm Connect HD. This will allow you to capture in 24p. What you do is shoot CF25 and Connect HD has an option to convert that to 24p and slow the audio down by 4% as you capture. What you get is a 24p stream to work with that you can also render from because it’s a very high quality AVI file using the CineForm codec. If you are serious about 24p with the Z1, you should download the trial of Connect HD and give it go. The step-by-step instructions would be: Step 1: Shoot CF25 Step 2: Capture to 24p using CineForm Connect HD or use GearShift to make 24p Step 3: Set your NLE up for a 24p project and do all you editing in 24p Step 4: Render to 24p MPEG2 for DVD (let the DVD player worry about the 2:3 pulldown AND you’ll get more movie per DVD) I would not output back to 30fps (60i) because your DVD play has the ability to play 24p MPEG movies. Just keep everything 24p all the time. ~jr __________________ Developer: VASST Ultimate S, Scattershot 3D, Mayhem, FASST Apps, and other VASST Software plug-ins Web Site: www.johnrofrano.com

October 22nd, 2005, 08:20 AM	#2
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,787	Take a look at DVFilm Maker. I think it will do all of this, although I'm not completely sure about the 25cf to 24p part.... http://www.dvfilm.com/maker/index.htm

October 23rd, 2005, 08:08 AM	#3
Steve Crisdale Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Katoomba NSW Australia Posts: 635	This is the sort of query that should be in the HD/HDV editing forum... not so much about the cam - more about what to do with what it records post the event!! You are much more likely to get the sorts of responses you're after there. Boyd's suggestion is one to look at; although (correct me if I'm wrong) but I thought DVFilm Maker was a Mac only app... If you run PC then it'll depend on the NLE you use to an extent. I believe you can use Gearshift (for Vegas) for the sort of frame rate adjustments you are after.