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John Gayman December 4th, 2008 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Harper (Post 972693)
John, the auto focus is stonger on the VX2100 than the FX1000. In fact the auto-focus is downright frustrating at times on this cam. If you don't need widescreen and /or hi-definition footage you will be disappointed. If you do need widescreen or HD it is a great option if you can't afford an EX1 or some other more expensive cam.

Oh no! That is not what I wanted to hear. :-) With fast moving skaters autofocus is critical to getting high quality material. The basic reason for the new camera would be for the widescreen format in SD as Blu-ray is still not a viable distribution media for most of our clients. It would be nice to have the HD master tapes for when Blu-ray players are more widespread and media is reasonably priced.

I had looked at the Canon A1 when it first came out but passed it by based on reports of poor autofocus performance. I was really hoping the FX1000 was finally a suitable HD replacement for the VX2100.

Are you saying the EX1 has better autofocus?

Juan Hernandez December 4th, 2008 03:11 PM

I think that we are comparing two totally diferent cameras as you know high definition cameras will be a lot worse in poor ligthing conditions and the one's that are great cost a lot of money Ijust think that with the technology that we have rigth now this camera is worth it every penny people who think that this camera is worthless problably they're kind of work is more professional than some of us in my case this camera and the fx1 which I owned are great cameras and asa soon you got the rigth settings on them you can make wonders but that's just me, I don't think you have to be agreed with me because we may use this kind of cameras for diferent projects

Tim Akin December 4th, 2008 05:30 PM

low light pics
 
These are frame grabs from the VX (SD timeline) and FX (HDV timeline). Both cams are set to F2.8, 0db.

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/members/t...re144-vx-3.jpg
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/members/t...re145-fx-3.jpg

I'll try to get some more that are side by side later.

Nathan Troutman December 4th, 2008 05:58 PM

And Tim by FX I'm assuming you mean the new FX1000 not the old FX1.

Those low light results look pretty amazing to me - especially considering the VX has fewer and hence larger pixel sites. This kind of sensitivity is going to be a blessing to HD both for low light situations and for shooting with a 35mm film adapter.

Besides money I can't imagine why anyone who has still been clinging to the shore of SD wouldn't take the plunge to HD. I bought the FX1 right when it came out and have been enjoying HD shooting for a long time now. Now I can finally get back the low light sensitivity I loved with the VX that I had to give up when I started shooting with the FX1.


The FX1000 looks like a well-rounded, well-priced, perfect HD option for anything: docs, films, weddings, corporate, you name it.

Tim Akin December 4th, 2008 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan Troutman (Post 973092)
And Tim by FX I'm assuming you mean the new FX1000 not the old FX1.


Yeah, FX1000, sorry.

Here's some more side by side.

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/members/t...fx-vs-vx-1.jpg

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/members/t...fx-vs-vx-2.jpg

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/members/t...fx-vs-vx-3.jpg

Ron Evans December 4th, 2008 08:36 PM

Tim can you address the issue of gain. How do these compare as the gain is increased to the point where they are not usable? Can the new CMOS technology use just a little gain to get ahead. From the samples 3db might just do it?
Ron Evans

Greg Laves December 5th, 2008 08:46 AM

Tim, thanks for posting those screen grabs. That is pretty amazing.

Tim Akin December 5th, 2008 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Evans (Post 973153)
Tim can you address the issue of gain. How do these compare as the gain is increased to the point where they are not usable? Can the new CMOS technology use just a little gain to get ahead. From the samples 3db might just do it?
Ron Evans


Here some more grabs with almost no light. The noise is bad in both cams (18 & 21bd of gain, what do you expect) I'll try and check to see when the noise starts to get bad in the FX this weekend.

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/members/t...cture151-1.jpg

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/members/t...cture152-2.jpg

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/members/t...cture153-3.jpg

Juan Hernandez December 5th, 2008 05:26 PM

I think you got me with this examples this is what I was waiting for to make my desicion on wich camera to buy since Ihave the fx1 I will be buying the fx 1000. Do you know if this fx 1000 will use the same type of battery (series L)? yhank you so much for the footage Monday I will be getting my christmas present, (an fx1000)

Greg Laves December 5th, 2008 06:03 PM

Juan, the FX1000 does indeed use the "L" Infolithium battery. Thank you Sony.

Tim Akin December 5th, 2008 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juan Hernandez (Post 973591)
I think you got me with this examples this is what I was waiting for to make my desicion on wich camera to buy since Ihave the fx1 I will be buying the fx 1000. Do you know if this fx 1000 will use the same type of battery (series L)? yhank you so much for the footage Monday I will be getting my christmas present, (an fx1000)

Juan, you won't be disappointed. I always ran the VX in manual, but so far I'm real inpressed with auto in the FX. You can set the auto gain to -7 so that will keep the gain down. I almost always had to turn the gain down one or two clicks from auto on the VX. You also have a setting to adjust the gain to "slow", so you don't have those abrupt changes in exposure. I really won't no untill I use the FX in real world (wedding) and edit the footage, as to how good this cam really is.

Juan Hernandez December 6th, 2008 10:51 AM

thanks tim, Now I have a question. I was browsing the web trying to find the best deal on this camera (FX1000) and I found it on -------- ----- for $ 2600. I think that this is a pretty good deal. have any of you bougth any thing from this web site? is this place legit I heard of some web sites giving you great deals and turn out to be a pain and fraudulent. please any advice! and thanks again

Norman Gaddis December 6th, 2008 11:14 AM

Run, don't walk, away. A quick Google search will reveal why.

Erik Phairas December 6th, 2008 11:47 AM

You aren't kidding. Most of those sites are all owned by the same company under different names. The wonderful thing is, I've seen official google and youtube ads promoting them as trusted dealers.

Tim Akin December 6th, 2008 02:54 PM

I purchase all my gear at B&H Photo.


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