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Todd Austin · March 5th, 2010, 11:02 AM

I am having issues with the NX5U footage importing with timecode into either Adobe premiere cs4 or Vegas 9. I first import footage with Sony's Content Management Utility. Then when either I drag and drop or import from the programs the timecode is set to 0 for the in point and only runs the duration of the clip. On the camera during playback the timecode is there. Settings are TC format-DF/ TC RUN- REC RUN/ TC MAKE - Regenerate (note: tried preset too and didn't work) / UB TIME REC- OFF/ Maybe I am doing something wrong but wanted to get opinions. Thank You Todd

Seth Bloombaum · March 5th, 2010, 11:43 AM

The issue is with your camera settings.

Instead of Rec Run, you want Free Run.

That will start the clock going from 0 or the preset time, then, it keep runnining whether you're recording or not. Which is what you want if you're doing any sort of sync to TC position, or Time-of-Day TC, etc.

I'm not that familiar with this cam, but, this is standard across Sony cameras.

Todd Austin · March 5th, 2010, 12:34 PM

free run doesn't do it, still no timecode, I want consecutive timecode anyhow like the tape days it's for single camera shoots. Does anyone else have this camera? Are you getting timecode? If so what settings are you using?

Adam Gold · March 5th, 2010, 12:54 PM

Has nothing to do with your settings in the cam -- it's a Premiere issue. Same problem importing from the MRC1k with Z5U footage. Timecode comes over fine if you capture from tape (with tape-based cams, obviously), but not card. Something to do with how the TC header is formatted in file-based clips -- if it also doesn't work in Vegas it must be how Sony writes the files. Sorry to hear this wasn't fixed in CS4. Maybe CS5 will address this issue.

Adobe's brilliant solution is to manually change the TC in the clip, which of course defeats the whole purpose.

Ron Evans · March 5th, 2010, 12:58 PM

No its not the camera. I can't get Vegas to recognise the timecode either( doesn't see it correctly from the XR500 or SR11 either so its not just the NX5U !!!!) but Edius sees the timecode correctly from all these AVCHD cams.

Ron Evans

Todd Austin · March 5th, 2010, 03:00 PM

All the timecode was there in Edius. I was going crazy. Too bad it doesn't work in Premiere since I own that. Kind of plays choppy on my 8gb 2.4 quad core. Another $650 out the window. Any coupons for this?

Colin Browell · March 5th, 2010, 04:21 PM

There was a thread a few months ago about AVCHD timecode on the Premiere forum. The conclusion was that Premiere did not support timecode because it was not part of the official spec ...

Adobe Forums: AVCHD timecode issue

Marshall Levy · March 5th, 2010, 04:22 PM

Yeah, I hear ya'. I have a dedicated Edius system and it's beyond wonderful. Once I tweaked some things, everything with this camera is realtime and finally works like it should and always does. Premiere is another story but oh well....lpcm audio isn't supported apparently, and timecode is lost regardless. Go with Edius; less frustration!

Todd Austin · March 5th, 2010, 09:23 PM

Edius plays a bit choppy and needs to be rendered then it plays fine, I am using 24p footage, what tweeks would work best with the NX5U footage?

Ron Evans · March 6th, 2010, 08:43 AM

Edius Neo will play AVCHD realtime without any rendering and the same booster technology will be in the Edius 5.5 update in April. With the ability to sync timecode on the NX5U looks like Edius will be one of the only NLE's to be able to use this feature in multicam sync.
My Q9450 is a little slow for native file editing but will scrub the timeline OK. I have converted Canopus HQ most of the time as this presents a small load on the PC for multicam editing.
Ron Evans

March 5th, 2010, 11:02 AM	#1
Todd Austin New Boot Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 5	NO Timecode importing into CS4 or Vegas 9 I am having issues with the NX5U footage importing with timecode into either Adobe premiere cs4 or Vegas 9. I first import footage with Sony's Content Management Utility. Then when either I drag and drop or import from the programs the timecode is set to 0 for the in point and only runs the duration of the clip. On the camera during playback the timecode is there. Settings are TC format-DF/ TC RUN- REC RUN/ TC MAKE - Regenerate (note: tried preset too and didn't work) / UB TIME REC- OFF/ Maybe I am doing something wrong but wanted to get opinions. Thank You Todd

March 5th, 2010, 11:43 AM	#2
Seth Bloombaum Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,420	The issue is with your camera settings. Instead of Rec Run, you want Free Run. That will start the clock going from 0 or the preset time, then, it keep runnining whether you're recording or not. Which is what you want if you're doing any sort of sync to TC position, or Time-of-Day TC, etc. I'm not that familiar with this cam, but, this is standard across Sony cameras. __________________ 30 years of pro media production. Vegas user since 1.0. Webcaster since 1997. Freelancer since 2000. College instructor since 2001.

March 5th, 2010, 12:34 PM	#3
Todd Austin New Boot Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 5	free run free run doesn't do it, still no timecode, I want consecutive timecode anyhow like the tape days it's for single camera shoots. Does anyone else have this camera? Are you getting timecode? If so what settings are you using?

March 5th, 2010, 12:54 PM	#4
Adam Gold Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woodinville, WA USA Posts: 3,467	Has nothing to do with your settings in the cam -- it's a Premiere issue. Same problem importing from the MRC1k with Z5U footage. Timecode comes over fine if you capture from tape (with tape-based cams, obviously), but not card. Something to do with how the TC header is formatted in file-based clips -- if it also doesn't work in Vegas it must be how Sony writes the files. Sorry to hear this wasn't fixed in CS4. Maybe CS5 will address this issue. Adobe's brilliant solution is to manually change the TC in the clip, which of course defeats the whole purpose. __________________ "It can only be attributable to human error... This sort of thing has cropped up before, and it has always been due to human error."

March 5th, 2010, 03:00 PM	#6
Todd Austin New Boot Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 5	Thanks Edius worked! All the timecode was there in Edius. I was going crazy. Too bad it doesn't work in Premiere since I own that. Kind of plays choppy on my 8gb 2.4 quad core. Another $650 out the window. Any coupons for this?

March 5th, 2010, 12:58 PM	#5
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,220	No its not the camera. I can't get Vegas to recognise the timecode either( doesn't see it correctly from the XR500 or SR11 either so its not just the NX5U !!!!) but Edius sees the timecode correctly from all these AVCHD cams. Ron Evans

March 5th, 2010, 04:21 PM	#7
Colin Browell Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: UK Posts: 55	There was a thread a few months ago about AVCHD timecode on the Premiere forum. The conclusion was that Premiere did not support timecode because it was not part of the official spec ... Adobe Forums: AVCHD timecode issue

March 5th, 2010, 04:22 PM	#8
Marshall Levy Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 304	Yeah, I hear ya'. I have a dedicated Edius system and it's beyond wonderful. Once I tweaked some things, everything with this camera is realtime and finally works like it should and always does. Premiere is another story but oh well....lpcm audio isn't supported apparently, and timecode is lost regardless. Go with Edius; less frustration!

March 5th, 2010, 09:23 PM	#9
Todd Austin New Boot Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 5	Edius plays a bit choppy and needs to be rendered then it plays fine, I am using 24p footage, what tweeks would work best with the NX5U footage?

March 6th, 2010, 08:43 AM	#10
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,220	Edius Neo will play AVCHD realtime without any rendering and the same booster technology will be in the Edius 5.5 update in April. With the ability to sync timecode on the NX5U looks like Edius will be one of the only NLE's to be able to use this feature in multicam sync. My Q9450 is a little slow for native file editing but will scrub the timeline OK. I have converted Canopus HQ most of the time as this presents a small load on the PC for multicam editing. Ron Evans