Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

Compared to FS100 for over double the price you get:
A new sensor
ND
better handle
burst of extreme slow motion
cinegamma
The option to pay even more and have 4K RAW output.
Apart from the sensor which we don't know how much better is, the upgrade is quite expensive. But everyone thinks is a very good deal because C300 is so much more expensive while lagging in the feature department. I guess Sony is reading the forums and priced the new camera at the price point most of us thought as reasonable for C300.

I wonder, if the consensus for the C300, was around $6-7K, would the new camera had an even lower entry price? :-)

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

The zoom controls hint at the most important thing, IMHO -- more lenses on the way. Because so far, there just aren't enough 'full capability' lenses to justify this system. Sure it's nice to use legacy glass, and for some work that's just fine ... But the actual range of lenses that offer stabilization, for instance, or silent autofocus, or even smooth aperture stepping is just too small.

I for one -- and your mileage may vary -- have almost never zoomed while shooting. So a zoom control is not paramount -- but the presence suggests that Sony will either push out more lenses and try to catch Canon and even Nikon in terms of system depth, or it won't be much of a 'system' at all.

I'm hoping for a long list of new lenses ...

Cheers,
GB

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

I agree, Glen - this is the camera's 'good side' ;-)

So refreshing - a large sensor interchangeable lens camcorder with a real power zoom rocker (instead of the Panny PZs' little zoom control on the lens).

Look forward to seeing some test video (and stills) from this camera.

Cheers,

Bill

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

Looking lovingly at my EX3 right now, but if this camera is what it appears to be, there will be anther EX3 ready for "Don's EX3 Rest Home"

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

Official SONY FS700 launch film coming tomorrow.

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

Shallow focus in slow motion... It will be like, wait for it, wait for it, sharp focus, ah nuts soft again.

As an aside, there is still a supposedly significant firmware upgrade for the fs100 coming at the end of NAB. Many of the software based features, touch to focus, cinegamma, etc, could still be coming to the fs100, to allow it to be a competent b-cam for the 700.

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

ditto .. ditto ... and more ditto

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

I'm already planning for a slowmo-project now :-p

But I don't think the FS-700 will be sold in numbers that can compare with number of video-DSLR's and large sensor camcorders. So slowmotion at real high speeds won't be as common as shallow depht of field.

I'd go for slow motion with shallow DoF on a Cinevate Atlas track :-p

480 fps test found on Vimeo
 

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

Yes, the rampant abuse of shallow DOf is well documented, and even before the announcement of the fs700, I've been feeling the same thing coming on with slo-mo. Phantoms are getting popular enough, and the epics shooting at 300fps, I'm starting to see it everywhere, at least in the circles I travel in. Most of what I do and /or watch is in the adventure sports world; and the last year or so, I've just been seen more and more and more and more super slow motion stuff, to the point where I'm like, "I love this stuff, but even I'm getting sick of it."

I fear this will only make it worse. But maybe as more and more "cool" techniques become available, they will all somehow filter back into appropriate proportions.

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

There are time limitations on the length of your slow motion shot, plus the quality isn't quite as good, due to how they they achieve the slow mo.

Like a lot of things, it has to be appropriate. otherwise it just becomes an affectation.

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

I know about the time limitations.
But you are most welcome to elaborate on how they achieve the slow mo and why it affects quality.

Lol, are you trying to explain that story and content should dictate the techniques that are being used? ;-)

(BTW, it will be a project to try and test the slow mo of the FS700.)

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

Adam Wilt has been running tests on the slow motion, I imagine he'll put them on line at some stage. He was testing a pre-production camera and found it slightly less sharp than at normal frame rate, although it could be an issue with the camera's status.

There seems to be some line skipping at the higher frame rates seemingly the missing lines are interpolated back, but they look "better than they should".

I'm sure the slow motion will work extremely well for most people's requirements.

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

Ooops! That´s a real disappointment and might be a deal breaker for me.
I assumed the 240 fps are maximum quality. So it´s just another mode to play with but nothing to use seriously...

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

In a new record for feature disappointment, high res high speed above 60fps and under 10 grand is out before the camera is even on sale because its not true 1080 at 480fps.

If someone were serious about high speed I'd think they were already in the market for much more expensive specialty gear anyway and not expecting anything from a lowly video camera.

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

In practise, at the 240 fps I suspect you wouldn't notice the difference in quality. I gather the drop off was very slight on his initial test, so unless you're filming test charts the slow motion is the key feature. It's at 480 fps they use the the line skipping.

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

Here the Adam Wilt slow motion test I mentioned, together with some thoughts:

http://provideocoalition.com/index.p..._amuse-bouche/

I gather the camera was quite power hungry, perhaps it's because of the processing of the slow motion material.

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

Adam Wilt's article referenced above explains the business about how it copes with all the data in slomo. Apparently the camera uses line skipping (a la DSLR) to achieve the high frame rate.

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

The very high (480, 960) .

There is no line skipping in the 120 and 240 FPS mode.

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

And this is no surprise as the press release already mentioned that 480fps won't be full resolution.
It's like a lot of highspeedcameras: there is a maximum bandwidth of data. More fps can only be achieved by dropping resolution.

Is there any 120fps and 240fps imagequalitytest comparing it to 30fps or 24fps?

I'm also curious about noise at higher iso/dB, since that will tell us more about low-light performance and the abilty to get a deeper DoF when needed.
(Sony: send me a cam to test it :-p)

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

From the livechat with Sony (which is happening now):

"The FS700 can give your 4:2:2 8bit. And no picture degradation at Super Slow-mo at 240 fps. Faster scanning, you will see degraded image but it is good for analysing motion or Standard Definition video."

"When working at Full HD 24p, if you want to keep Full HD resolution, you can reach up to 240 fps. For higher frame rates, resolution is lower than FullHD: 1920X432 at 480 fps during 9 seconds, 1920x216 at 960 fps during 19 seconds"

"For S-log type mode, FS700 doesn't have it but it has a preset for F3 users to match the colour. For log, you can find PictureProfiles of customers on the web such as "G-Log"."

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

Not entirely true for the pre-production model.


24p and 60p (25 and 50 should be the same) has more resolution than 120 and 240. There is indeed a slight drop off. But it is still a prototype.