Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

As expected, the rumors turned out to be true, and the "4K ready" Sony NEX-FS700 is here. Seems they addressed all of the shortcomings of the FS100, added internal ND filters, there is 10x slow-mo in FullHD (and up to 40x with reduced resolution), and even a zoom rocker (!) for future e-mount servozoom lenses on top of the grip.
Sony : NEX-FS700E (NEXFS700E) : Features : Other

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

Finally, a legitimate Sony site that verifies the FS700. Thank you for posting this!

For anyone else wondering why their FS700 post didn't make it in the DVi
Industry News forum, Bernd has demonstrated the correct way to do it...
with a link to a legitimate Sony source, and not some other third-party site.

We will have a dedicated forum for the FS700 shortly.

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Wow. I thought my next camera was going to be a Canon. Rethinking that now. I think it's looking more and more like Canon missed the mark with the C300. Unless Canon does something remarkable it looks like this might be my next camera.

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

No word on the recording CODEC or media so presumably it's the same AVCHD & single SD card as the FS100 otherwise they would be singing about these improvements too.

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

Codec -> same as FS100 AVCHD on SD cards. Its the under the same NEX family.

We just had our Sony Conference call for this product. You should see an official release shortly from Sony later today with all the specs.

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

I'm excited to see what the SDI output will be (8bit vs 10bit) and if there will be anything approaching S-Log as in the F3.

This would make an awesome B camera for the F3 with room to be a great B camera for what ever the 4k version of the F3 ends up being. I'm sure Sony will not leave such a big hole between the FS700 and the F65.

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Sony's USA website appears to be buried, presumably with activity, so I ended up at their Facebook page.
They have a product announcement there as well, and if you scroll down to the bottom they say under $10K.

Sony Expands NXCAM Line With New Full-HD Super Slow Motion Camcorder | Facebook

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Thanks, Bill -- that's published now at Sony Expands NXCAM Line With NEX-FS700U at DVInfo.net

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SDI Out is 8 Bit.

They have to have some separation between the F line and FS line - looks like 8 Bit is the line.

Slick camera.

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

Finally someone has made the high speed sub 10k camera that I have been demanding for the past couple years... Good on you Sony (though it would be JVC!)

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

Do you have a source for this? I understand it makes sense given history, but I've been scouring looking for insight on this bit (no pun intended). [edit: Nevermind, saw post by Ned Soltz and his Sony briefing]

Also, a 4K RAW output over 3G implies a greater bit depth than 8...usually it's 12 or 14 bits to the cameras internal DSP. So I think the door is open to get greater than 8 bits out the SDI, even if it's not a 1080p signal? My bet would be 8 bit 1080p output over SDI, and then higher depths with higher resolutions to the proprietary Sony 4K recorder.

Other thoughts:

-Man, I hope they have a cheaper recorder than the SR-R3 to do the 4K RAW. An SR-R3 is on a different planet, price wise. Maybe something cheaper with less processing to just record the stream verbatim, like a Blackmagic Shuttle. I guess uncompressed 4K would be off the chart bit-rate wise though...eat through SSDs like nothing we've ever seen, unless you just bought an F65. Nevermind, it's going to have to be compressed. Question is, what codec?

-S-Log is a omission I would like, but hopefully it doesn't matter if the 4K stream is truly "RAW", as they say?

-Existence of this camera dang near guarantees a counterpart line addition for the F3, leveraging the same 4K recorder solution. Hopefully announced Sunday night before NAB?

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

Thread moved to our new FS700 forum.

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

Apparently there is 4 new cinegamma curves, one of which is very close to S-Log.

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

I read from Abel that the 4 CG curves are pulled from the F3, and as an F3 owner, I can tell you CG is no substitute for real benefits of S-Log, as Sony has already done it. Are you talking about the guy on another board who said something like one of the picture profiles came close to his S-Log approximation?

The true S-Log update on the F3 manages to pull/enable another ~2 stops of latitude from the sensor, where picture profiles don't do that. On top of that, the FS100 doesn't even have the latitude of the F3/Cinegamma combo, so...add in a new sensor and I suppose it's all speculation until we see it anyway.

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

Are we all reading different sources because the info I got from Abel Cine clearly stated that the 3G-SDI output is 4k 12-bit RAW for recording to an upcoming 4k recorder. The email also said, "The FS700 has a newly designed 11.6M sensor, 8.3M which are used in the video mode."

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Good grief. Reading those specs and that price is like

http://nikkigsblog.files.wordpress.c...ntilating2.jpg

Though someone's sure to say "It's still box with a couple of toilet rolls sticking out"

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Yes, I often drink out of paper bags when going to NAB, too.

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

This camera looks insane. I'm hoping this cam causes the second-hand market to flood with FS-100's :P

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

A camera that outguns C300 and at a price point where C300 should have been!
There is a user who claims he manage to record 200 fps slow mo at an atomos samurai:

Sony NEX FS700 on Location - Become a Film Maker Without Quitting Your Job!

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What about auto-focus, and still no motorized servo zoom? :(

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This is going to change the market quite a bit. Everybody is going to be able to make films for the big screen now (in acceptable quality that is...). The industry is becoming more and more cut-throat.

Anyway, when comparing the FS700 to the FS100 and if we exclude 4K for what are we paying 3K€ to 4K€ more?

For HD work the FS100 has a better chip doesn't it? It's designed for HD, right? So when looking from the HD perspective what does the FS700 got that the FS100 hasn't got? S-LOG?, HD-SDI, NDs, 50/60 switch able, super slow-mo, anything else?

I wonder what Panasonic will do next:)

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

There is a zoom rocker on the handle though.

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

with motorized zoom... interesting

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Really? With surely such a large contingent of crusty old chain smoking technical director types I would have thought they hand out hip flasks at the door.

(yeah, the picture doesn't work that well without animation).

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

Yeah, Sony will make some zooms with a servo zoom motor. E-mounts, I would guess. Maybe some A-mounts?

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Just a little confused by Sony's description of "magnification'. They say:

"Selectable magnification and positioning of expanded focus. Expanded focus improvement allowing 4x and 8x magnification and a moveable area of expansion for easy focusing with shallow depth of field."

Do they mean some mechanism to increase the crop factor in the Exmor chip (really important for wildlife), or just a magnifcation in the viewfinder to help focus (not so critical)?

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

That feature as its being described in this context is a focus aid only.

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

In Belgium -Europe:

NEX FS 700 in EURO's € 6.995,-- excl. VAT !!!

Sony NEX-FS700EK - Creative Ventures BVBA

Cheers!

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Please god, don't let it have a 3X crop like the T3i/60D because if it it does I might HAVE to buy it. In over twenty years I have purchased only Canon "prosumer" cameras but with the posted specs and that feature it would make me jump. Please don't have it, please don't have it.....

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

In case anyone is interested,

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/853273-REG/Sony_NEX_FS700_NEX_FS700U_Super_35_Camcorder.html

The B & H site says 8 bit 3G HD-SDI

BNC Connector 3G/-HD-SDI / 4:2:2 / 8-bit (59.94p, or 50p) / 29.97p or PsF, 23.98p or PsF)
HDMI Output HDMI 4:2:2 8-bit (59.97p & 50p, 29.97p, 25p, 23.98p)


500 (0 dB) to ISO 16,000 (30 dB) sensitivity
Cranks from 1 to 960 fps for fast motion to super-slow motion
Four ND filter levels: clear, 2, 4 & 6 stops
Four HyperGamma settings (same as F3)
WorldCam 50/60Hz systems
Exmor Super 35mm sensor 11.6-megapixles
Effective pixels (photo): approx. 8,400,000 pixels (16:9) or approx. 7,100,000 pixels (4:3)
Low aliasing (grossly over sampled HD)
Runs cool, no grain and no fan noise
Large buttons and switches with orange backgrounds for easy auto/manual distinction
Arri Rossette with micro-adjusting (for connecting grips, etc.)
Face detection
Auto/manual iris and focus with Sony lenses (lenses sold separately)
Features dual XLR inputs, a DC input, an FMU port for flash memory unit, SD / MemoryStick card slot, BNC connector and HDMI output
Removable grip features four easy-to-use buttons including Start/Stop, Photo, 4x/8x expandable focus and push-button auto iris
Display offers video/film selections for distance (meters/feet), sensitivity (dB gain/ ISO) and shutter (speed/angle)
BNC connector offers 3G/HD-SDI and a planned future firmware upgrade will enable 4K data-stream output
Camera supports 1920 x 1080/60p full HD recording and still image capture

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

Hmmmm.... It is odd that Abel Cine sent out an email stating 12bit Raw from the 3G-SDI for an upcoming recorder. Maybe the increase in bits comes from the 4k upgrade that people will need to purchase kind of like the S-Log upgrade which enhances the quality of the camera.

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

I don't know whether to be excited about this camera or filled with dread about all the unnecessary slow-mo shots we'll be subjected to once it is released.

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

The 12 Bit Raw may be enabled with the "future firmware upgrade". All I know is that my beloved EX3 may be headed for a replacement in June.

-Garrett

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Thats right. At 1080p in video mode it will be 8bit but when the RAW mode is enabled in the future it will be 12bit.

What will be interesting is if there will be a 2k RAW mode available at 12bit depth.

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

DON's rest home for tired EX3's. Treat your beloved camera to a much deserved rest home in sunny Central Florida !!

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Okay, still smarting from having ripped the NDA Gaffer Tape from my gob, but there's lots of funny info whizzing around. Hey, I'm just an ICE. :-)

FS100 highlight handling was 'not as bad' as the AF101, but was sure as heck not as good as EX1 with CineGamma ... AND the Canons. It REALLY needed fixing. Now it is with the FS700. Hooray. Really. CineGamma highlight handling is absolutely so crucial in my line of work I have to sell my FS100 for it.

It's as if the F3 'basic' config was stripped of a few functions and made into an F3 Junior - aka FS700 - and the F3 Proper inherits all the good stuff that makes it work in the F65/F35/Alexa world.

Still sad we don't see some really important things for the FS100/700 - shot duration, names for PPs, and so on, but really glad we get Touch Focus, NDs and CineGamma 4 (huggable highlights rather than mopping up after a WFM knife fight).

My videos that touch on this subject are up here:

http://www.sony.co.uk/biz/content/id...camavchdguides

or you may get more info here:

http://vimeo.com/mattdavis/review/30254292/bc4573bd89

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There is surely no such thing! Slow motion is the new shallow focus.


(the codec catches up eventually. I'm going to get done for off topic spam. It's a funny show though. Filled with gags only production types would get)

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

But just imagine, with the FS700 we can have shallow focus IN slow motion!










...I can feel my cerebral cortex starting to bleed already.

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

And in 4K!

Re: Sony NEX-FS700 - It's real
 

Love the top view. It shows the zoom control.