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4K now for $400
Abel Cine just informed me it's $400 at a SONY service center to now upgrade to 4K
========== Hello and thank you for your business with AbelCine. As an FS700 owner, we would like to inform you of a new upgrade for your camera. Sony is offering a 12‐bit 2K-RAW & 4K-RAW output upgrade to owners of NEX-FS700U & NEX-FS700UK camcorders. Adding RAW output capability from the NEX-FS700 cameras requires a wide-ranging, internal hardware reprogramming. This service must be performed at a Sony Professional Service Depot. The cost to perform the upgrade is $400.00 per camcorder, which is the labor cost of reprogramming. If you would like to upgrade your camera, please contact your regional Sony Professional Service facility (locations and phone numbers below) to schedule the procedure and get informed of anticipated turnaround time. Please note, loaner cameras are not available. Eastern Service Facility Teaneck Sony Service Center 123 W. Tryon Avenue Teaneck, New Jersey 07666 Voice: 201‐833‐5300 E-mail: TeaneckService@am.sony.com Western Service Facility Los Angeles Sony Service Center 2706 Media Center Dr., Ste. 130 Los Angeles, California 90065 Voice: 323‐352‐5000 E‐mail: LAService@am.sony.com Shipping and insurance of the NEX-FS700 to Sony Service is the responsibility of the customer. Sony Service will return the upgraded camera at no charge using Fed Ex Standard delivery. Expedited shipment is available at an additional cost. Users requiring operational support after this upgrade should contact the Sony Product Operational Support Center (POSC) at 800-833-6817 (M-F 8:00am- 8:00pm EST, excluding Holidays) Also of note: AXS-R5 Version 1.2 or greater is required to support RAW recording with NEX-FS700 and HXR-IR5. The cost for the upgrade will be waived if you have purchased the HXR-IFR5 Interface unit. Please include a copy of the purchase receipt with the NEX-FS700 camera and inform Sony service at time of appointment of your purchase. For more information about the upgrade, please see below: The upgrade adds “high production value” capability to NEX-FS700 camcorders * 12-bit 2K-Raw & 4K-RAW recording to the optional HXR-IRR5/ AXS-R5 AXSM RAW recording system. * 4K-RAW recording up to 60fps. 2K-RAW up to 240fps recordings * Recording is as long as media capacity allows; there's no limit to clip size! * 4K-RAW up to 60fps and 2K-RAW up to 240fps recordings write directly to the AXS-512/S24 memory card (when using the ASXM RAW system), without buffering- cutting the wait time for the data to spool from the buffer to the recording media. * 120fps 4K-RAW recording-to-buffer (Approximately 3.75 seconds record time per burst, 17 seconds 4K playback at 24fps). * Simultaneous AVCHD recording to internal SD card or external FMU memory unit while recording RAW to the AXS-R5 recorder (proxy is not available while recording HFR). * Two new gamma curves: S-Log2 and 800% ITU70 are added to the camera. * Record trigger command are now embedded in the HDMI and SDI uncompressed digital outputs (for outboard recorders). * The SELP18200 Power zoom lens is supported for use with the zoom lever on the grip of the camcorder * Additionally, upgraded NEX-FS700 camcorders may also interface with an appropriately configured Convergent Design Odyssey 7Q recorder/ monitor. Please contact Convergent Design or visit their website at Convergent Design | Professional Video Recorders | Gemini 444, nanoFlash, nano3D for important interface details. The Odyssey 7Q utilizes Cinema DNG RAW recording up to 2K 240fps. For 4K recording, the Odyssey 7Q creates DPX files. (corrections coming from Convergent). |
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Is nice!
Seriously, well done on Sony's part - they delivered what they promised, and it won't cost a mint. |
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I wish you could spend $400 and instantly start recording 4K footage. However, you need the Interface Unit, the Recorder, and whatever media it takes. Probably looking to spend another $9,000 all over again just to add 4K recording to it. :(
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What about new FS700s? Do they come with this upgrade already done? (
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So I guess you need to connect a SDI cable (BNC) from the FS700's 3G output port to a 3rd party external recorder to get 2K or 4K raw does that sound about right?
Aren't there some 3rd party external 4K recorders with 3G/SDI input ports for less than $9K? I thought external SSD 4K recorders were around $4K now days (AJA Ki Pro Quad Solid State 4K Recorder). |
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http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-nxc...ly-2014-a.html Andrew |
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I addded up the entire package and it came to $19,669.
FS700 with 18-200mm lens $8,100, HXR-IFR5 interface $2,500, AXS-R5 Recorder $5,350, V-mount battery for recorder (BP-FL75) $540, battery charger (BC-L90) $829, AXSM Card $1,800, ASX-CR1 USB 3.0 card reader $550. For should-mounted use, all that extra weight should help balance out the camera. |
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You can use any V-Mount battery, you don't need to use the expensive Sony ones.
You can also use the soon to be released Convergent Design Odyssey 7Q to record 2K raw or 4K compressed from the FS700 (It takes the 4K raw feed, de-bayers it and records it as 4K compressed). The Odyssey is a much more elegant solution and also works out a little cheaper: Odyssey 7Q $2295, The 2K raw option is $1495, Media is $595 for 240GB, so with two cards to get you going your looking at $4980 USD. You can use any 2.5" SATA adapter to read the cards, prices are from $20 for USB2 to about $40 for USB3 and $100 for thunderbolt. |
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All this stuff just makes my head spin. I personally don't see the need to jump into all this yet. I'll wait till things are more simple and affordable because this is all one big mess just to get 4k or even 2k at this time.
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The Sony add-ons will let you do 4K at 120fps (for only 4 seconds at a time). The Odyssey 7Q will only do 30fps in 4K.
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As much as this forum is a lot of help ... it also messes my head up when I see threads like this. Because now I want one! |
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The Odyssey will do 240fps at 2K continuously as will the Sony R5.
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Or did you mean UNcompressed, Alister? Because that is what I find on the CD website.
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Is there anyone out there who has actually sent in their camera to Sony for the 4K mod yet? I called them a few weeks back and they took my info and said I was on a list and they would call me when they were ready to start accepting FS700s for this work. Have heard nothing yet.
Also, wondering if anyone has heard how long we should expect to be without the camera while the work is being done. Anyone? Bueller? |
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Mine is going in either Friday or Monday. I'm just waiting for my dealer to confirm when they are ready.
I learned some additional interesting facts from my dealer: - The upgrade is free of charge if you purchase a HXR-IRF5 ($2500). Otherwise it's $400 to cover the bench-fee for the service department to upgrade hardware and firmware. - 2K RAW is derived from the 4K RAW, so there is no line-skipping or sensor cropping. - In RAW mode the FS700 captures linear light as 16-bit RAW with a 12-bit payload, in 12 bits of precision, which means 64 times as many colors as 10-bit recording. - SLog2 is definitely included in this upgrade and cannot be upgraded separately through a simple firmware update. - You will be able to record AVCHD internally while recording RAW externally and the start/stop + fps & TC will match on the clips. This means you can use the AVCHD as proxy media in editing. Simultaneous recording is not available in SM or SSM mode. |
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"RAW" has generally been taken to mean a single value for each photosite of the chip - a single number because it's representing purely a value for illumination. (Whether it represents R,G, or B is determined by the location and what filter covers it.) Hence "RAW" means the dimensions of the chip by definition. A 3840x2160 Bayer chip will give 4K RAW, a 1920x1080 chip will give 2K RAW etc. If there is no sensor cropping happening - the image is derived from the full sensor area - then 2K must mean that each pixel must correspond to a 2x2 Bayer block - 1 red, 1 blue and 2 green photosites. So - what actually is the "2K RAW" that we are talking about? Is each pixel now three values, one each for R,G, B? Or does it just take one value of the four to simulate a pseudo Bayer? Or.... what actually is "2K RAW" in this case? |
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I've had my FS700 upgraded and am now seriously looking at putting the pieces together for 4K/2K Raw.
I hadn't looked at the Convergent Design website in a while and the chart they have up for the 7Q is different that we have been discussing for the FS700. Odyssey7Q | OLED Monitor & Professional Recorder It looks like FS700 support is only $795 (without any daily option). Is this correct? That's pretty good news if true. Am I reading that right? |
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Unfortunately, it's not good news, the relevant chart is http://files.dvinfo.net/wp-content/u...ar2013.036.jpg and it's evident that the resolution is far from what you'd expect from 2K, with considerable aliasing - as shown in the charts the unaliased resolution is only up to 540 lpph. As Adam says: Quote:
From what I've seen, then whilst for 4K the FS700 and the RAW option is performing very well indeed, the 2K RAW mode on this camera is to be avoided. |
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Odyssey7Q | OLED Monitor & Professional Recorder Can anyone speak to this yet? If true, are there at least 'pre-record' or 'cache' options where you wouldn't have to shoot continuously... but could 'choose' your shots as they happen... so as not to burn up your 20 minutes? I'm a novice here admittedly, but we were super excited about this whole workflow (much more budget friendly then the EPIC RED we've been renting) but now that I've heard this I'm kind of deflated. We'd have to have $10k-$15k in cards to shoot for a day. I'm hitting the pre-thanks button for any advice. |
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240fps generates a lot of data at 2K. Of course if I'm reading the chart properly, that 20 minutes is your 'live recording' time,which at 24fps playback equates to 200 minutes (3 hrs 20 minutes) of slo-mo video. I think if planning to record high speed stuff it would be natural to start out with 4 or 6 of the 512GB SSD's (since the record system seems to write to both drives simultaneously to get sufficient record speed.
My guess is that it's an awful lot of data going through the system to have any kind of viable cache option in the recorder when data is coming through at 10x speed. I'd think high speed memory to deal with that kind of cache size would still be awfully expensive. After all, memory for a 15 second cache at normal 24fps record speed becomes a 1.5 second cache at 240fps. But realistically, how many hours of footage a day do you need to record? The record times are actually a lot better than when I would record 1080/60p from an F3 to a Gemini. So I'm pretty amazed by the potential of the Odyssey7Q. If you're going to record a lot of data, also start planning for a high end data transfer/storage system, and all the costs involved there. If you're really shooting a lot of data, you should probably have 2 full transfer stations so you can dump your cards in a reasonable length of time. We started doing this with the Gemini, and it saved us many hours of overtime. Remember, you need a minimum of 2 copies of your original camera data! And of course, the FS700 already does a very serviceable cache record slo-mo at 120 or 240fps, though obviously not for extended lengths of time. |
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Sent my camera out last Monday, they finished the upgarde on Thursday ($400CAD + Tax) and I should get it Monday.
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