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Dave: thx for your thoughts, I find the rx10 a bit overwhelming to start with, like with the pana gh3 there is a plethora of functions which not only help using the camera but have a impact on the image and you need to spend a lot of time going through each one of them to reach the full potential of the camera. It doesn't have the ease of use my nex-ea50 had but that's too much to expect from a photocamera but it's certainly the first one ever that reaches out further to videographers, from what I read so far photogs where not so positive in general about the camera and found it too expensive, seeing what it offers for video I think it's cheap.
I also see many people complaining about the codec and wishing it had a option to select a better one as well like you can with the gh3 but the included avchd codec is as good as it gets, unless there is something else going on that has an impact on image quality, I see macroblocking on fast movement with my cx730 as well so that's nothing new but never had a client noticing it, it's also a good thing I don't shoot fast action sport with this camera :) If I have to believe some reviewers the macroblocking can get so bad the footage becomes unusable but like I said unless something else is going on that I am not aware about yet those comments are pretty exaggerated, I shoot avchd 50p almost exclusively and never had to trow away a shot because it was not usable. Asking Sony to give us something better with a firmware update is pretty useless because nex-ea50 users know by now that will never happen, unless they bring out a new model which will include those functions. If all goes well I hope to have some useful footage from the city Bruges by the end of this week, with or without macroblocking :) |
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Can anyone comment on how a RX10 might match up to an EX1R? Thinking about event shooting where the big cam could run sound and have the small camera(s) as cutaways and closeup angles. Are talking "Sony" color here? Mainly thinking about if reds/blues/purples will look similar enough. Minor color correction is of course expected, but are they at least in the same vein?
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Today I found out the camera handles highlights just fine, and look at all that macroblocking! That's avchd at it's worst :) The codec is fine too as long as you don't blow up the image 400% and put your nose against the screen.
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Ah, that is exactly the footage I need to see. Done I'm sold on this. Noa was this recored to cards in the camera?
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I"m currently uploading a higher quality sample so the video can't be watched for a while, you can download that to have a look and yes this was recorded to a sdhc card in camera.
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Great, thanks Noa.
Here's what I'm loving about this and DanC's footage from the Grand Canyon - so many detailed backgrounds that would be screaming moire and aliasing on a GH3 or 5D or BMC look amazingly clean and maintain their detail regardless of the codec. I haven't taken it out yet but have shot some lit interior/skin tone tests and side by side with the BMPCC to see if they could cut together reasonably. So here's the kicker; after testing them with the same model and lighting, BMPCC with primes at matching FLs, the RX10 was still too strong (for my creative taste) even at Natural -3, -3, -3 I use Filmconvert as the LUT for my BMPCC footage so I chose a generic RGB curve that I figured would match the RX10 and boy does it map that Nat -3-3-3 to a really nice color space and gamma curve. It takes the RX10 footage to a whole other look and the natural "organic" look that I like. I'll post a couple of stills tomorrow. |
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Jim, please post film convert settings. Sounds very interesting.
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It's also a very sharp image coming out of this camera and it deals very nicely with high contrast scenes after you dial back the contrast in camera. I found it very easy to set my exposure with the zebra's, even from a reflective small lcd screen in full sunlight. Only for fine focusing I need to use a loupe, the peaking is good but sometimes it clutters the image with all white edges and it's hard to see what exactly is in focus. I don't understand why some people complain about the codec, yes it is stressed when you shoot highly complex and detailed scenes with lots of motion and yes you see it when you take out a frame and magnify it to pixelpeep. I even read about one "reviewer" that had to take some images out of a shoot as they where unusable according to him which I think is nonsense. Everything I shoot is avchd 2.0 50p and I never had a client saying that the shades look like mud or that there is macroblocking visible, why? Because you just don't notice until you freeze-frame an image and start blowing it up, but honestly, who and why would you do that unless you are making a high end film or commercial that's going to be published on national tv or cinema, but then you use a Red or similar camera, not a 1200 euro 8 bit dslr. For those seeking better image quality at a low price point there is still the bmcpc but let's be honest, after seeing what people publish with this camera it is a much more difficult camera to get good footage from, I even saw footage from a more experienced shooter that shot outside in the snow to find out it looked so bad even colourcorrecting couldn't solve the problem. A camera problem? No, a wrong setting during the shoot. I will take the rx10 on a paid shoot soon with minimal experience and I will go with enough confidence it will perform as expected, I know I would be nervous taking a bmc pocket cam along. |
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I was forced to use the RX10 as a backup camera at a church service last week - absolutely no room for my usual backup cam. I have to say, I was quite blown away by the quality of the footage! Only thing I really need is an android app that lets me control the video functions... is this available? Set it up as an extra cam during speeches and the results were not that great... but there was appalling lighting conditions in the room. Absolutely delighted with this - sold my 7d to pay for it. Think this will be getting a lot better usage from me!
Love the footage I'm seeing from you guys... |
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If the light is really low, try shutter priority and 30 rather than the "default" 60, you'll buy a bit more headroom, as long as there's not "too" much motion. Found that helpful with the 100/M2. I was able to get close to the low lux modes on7xx series Handycams that way, and with the f/2,8, should be pretty good...
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