Problems on PD170 with timecode resetting at DVinfo.net

Dan Shallenberger · August 19th, 2007, 07:48 PM

I've noticed lately in the middle of shooting my timecode resets back to zero. I'll be shooting for anywhere from 10 to 40 minutes, and everything is fine. Then, I'll hit record again and notice that my timecode reset. Sometimes I rewind to make sure the other footage is there and ok, and it is. All the footage is fine. But the timecode reset makes capturing a little more challenging.

Anyone know why it might be doing this? It just started happening the last 6 months. Is this a sign I need to send it in to Sony for a good cleaning?

It's about 2 1/2 years old and these hrs meter reading are:
operation - 44x10h
drum run - 25x10h
tape run - 14x10h
threading - 47x10h

Thanks for any advice.

Dan

Mike Rehmus · August 19th, 2007, 08:05 PM

Usually, the only way this happens is if there is a non-recorded gap between the last clip and the new clip. I stopped reviewing previous footage because that would almost always caused a gap unless I finished the previous clip with a bit of garbage footage that I could record over.

Otherwise, one has to step up to one of the big cameras and use the cartridges with the chip in them to avoid this.

Dan Shallenberger · August 19th, 2007, 09:29 PM

Yeah, I knew that would happen if there was unrecorded tape in-between, but that's not the case here. I've certainly done it a few times before learning reviewing is a bad idea. I've also recorded over footage I wanted before learning reviewing is a bad idea.

After learning those hard lessons, I never review my footage in-camera, but did here only after the timecode reset only to see if the previous footage was there and ok.

I'm hoping it's just a dirty head or something. That's easy enough to send in for cleaning. Or some other stupid mistake I'm making... as opposed to a problem with the camera.

Thanks for your quick response!

Robert Martens · August 20th, 2007, 11:38 AM

Actually, Mike, I do believe MiniDV tapes are made with chips in them that would solve the problem, even on these smaller cameras.

It may not need to go that far, though; a couple of years ago I faced the same problem with my VX2000. Record footage, review it (I too have stopped doing this, as it only introduces the potential for problems and never gives me any useful information), and then make absolutely sure that there were no less than five seconds 'til the end of the existing timecode before switching back to camera mode and recording, and my timecode would start from zero again. It should have worked, and it had worked in the past.

At the end of my rope, I asked on this very forum, and someone suggested simply resetting the camera, which did the trick. Have you given that a try? I imagine the button is in the same place on your camera, underneath the LCD panel, toward the bottom right. Get a pen, or a paperclip, and see what happens.

And don't forget the End Search button! Even if you switch from Camera to VTR, even if you turn the camera off, even if you take the battery out and leave it that way for a week (you wouldn't do that, but if you did), so long as the tape itself has remained in the camera since the last recording, you can simply hit End Search to cue up the end of your existing material. Start recording from there, no timecode breaks to worry about. Truth be told, I'm not actually certain it's available on the PD models, but if it is it should be on the top left edge of the body, just under the handle, near the playback controls.

August 19th, 2007, 07:48 PM	#1
Dan Shallenberger Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 253	Problems on PD170 with timecode resetting I've noticed lately in the middle of shooting my timecode resets back to zero. I'll be shooting for anywhere from 10 to 40 minutes, and everything is fine. Then, I'll hit record again and notice that my timecode reset. Sometimes I rewind to make sure the other footage is there and ok, and it is. All the footage is fine. But the timecode reset makes capturing a little more challenging. Anyone know why it might be doing this? It just started happening the last 6 months. Is this a sign I need to send it in to Sony for a good cleaning? It's about 2 1/2 years old and these hrs meter reading are: operation - 44x10h drum run - 25x10h tape run - 14x10h threading - 47x10h Thanks for any advice. Dan

August 19th, 2007, 08:05 PM	#2
Mike Rehmus Wrangler Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vallejo, California Posts: 4,049	Usually, the only way this happens is if there is a non-recorded gap between the last clip and the new clip. I stopped reviewing previous footage because that would almost always caused a gap unless I finished the previous clip with a bit of garbage footage that I could record over. Otherwise, one has to step up to one of the big cameras and use the cartridges with the chip in them to avoid this. __________________ Mike Rehmus Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!

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August 19th, 2007, 09:29 PM	#3
Dan Shallenberger Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 253	Yeah, I knew that would happen if there was unrecorded tape in-between, but that's not the case here. I've certainly done it a few times before learning reviewing is a bad idea. I've also recorded over footage I wanted before learning reviewing is a bad idea. After learning those hard lessons, I never review my footage in-camera, but did here only after the timecode reset only to see if the previous footage was there and ok. I'm hoping it's just a dirty head or something. That's easy enough to send in for cleaning. Or some other stupid mistake I'm making... as opposed to a problem with the camera. Thanks for your quick response!

August 20th, 2007, 11:38 AM	#4
Robert Martens Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Miller Place, NY Posts: 820	Actually, Mike, I do believe MiniDV tapes are made with chips in them that would solve the problem, even on these smaller cameras. It may not need to go that far, though; a couple of years ago I faced the same problem with my VX2000. Record footage, review it (I too have stopped doing this, as it only introduces the potential for problems and never gives me any useful information), and then make absolutely sure that there were no less than five seconds 'til the end of the existing timecode before switching back to camera mode and recording, and my timecode would start from zero again. It should have worked, and it had worked in the past. At the end of my rope, I asked on this very forum, and someone suggested simply resetting the camera, which did the trick. Have you given that a try? I imagine the button is in the same place on your camera, underneath the LCD panel, toward the bottom right. Get a pen, or a paperclip, and see what happens. And don't forget the End Search button! Even if you switch from Camera to VTR, even if you turn the camera off, even if you take the battery out and leave it that way for a week (you wouldn't do that, but if you did), so long as the tape itself has remained in the camera since the last recording, you can simply hit End Search to cue up the end of your existing material. Start recording from there, no timecode breaks to worry about. Truth be told, I'm not actually certain it's available on the PD models, but if it is it should be on the top left edge of the body, just under the handle, near the playback controls.