Will Sony update the PD170? at DVinfo.net
DV Info Net

Go Back   DV Info Net > Sony XAVC / XDCAM / NXCAM / AVCHD / HDV / DV Camera Systems > Sony HDV and DV Camera Systems > Sony VX2100 / PD170 / PDX10 Companion

Sony VX2100 / PD170 / PDX10 Companion
Topics also include Sony's TRV950, VX2000, PD150 & DSR250 family.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old October 23rd, 2005, 10:38 PM   #1
Tourist
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 3
Will Sony update the PD170?

I see that Panasonic is in the process of updating their DVX100A to the DVX100B while also preparing to introduce their new HD camera, the HVX200. Personally, I compliment Panasonic on not neglecting their SD line while developing HD. It seems to me that the PD170 could use an update as well. Question is: Will Sony update, or just leave the 170 as-is and focus on pushing their HDcams? I need a new camera soon, and since I have no use for HD, will certainly consider the updated Panny if Sony decides to let the 170 languish.
Malachi Constant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 24th, 2005, 09:56 AM   #2
Major Player
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Cardiff, UK
Posts: 223
I'm not convinced the lower end PD series is going to be continued. The PD170 was more than a half arsed effort (see earlier thread I made) and offered only a few advantages over the PD150, as Sony seemed a lot more keen to put their efforts into consumer/low end professional level HDV camcorders. The FX1/Z1E is basically a replacement for the PD170 whilst the 170 is still in production. I think its at the end of its lifespan. Wouldn't say no to a brand new SD camcorder mind!
James Connors is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 24th, 2005, 12:17 PM   #3
Tourist
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 3
Link to updatd DVX

http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp...del=AG-DVX100B

On Panasonic's website..
Malachi Constant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 26th, 2005, 07:10 AM   #4
Major Player
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: DuPont, Wa
Posts: 325
If you check out Sony's site they are in the process of updating their U.S. DVCAM page. In any event they have a banner on their with the following slogan, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".

While I agree overall it ain't broke.. It sure could use some feature updates..:)
Pat Sherman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 26th, 2005, 09:25 AM   #5
Wrangler
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Posts: 11,787
My personal guess is that they'll keep making them until sales fall off to a point where it isn't justified. Then it will quietly disappear from their lineup. Rumors are that production has already stopped on the VX-2100 and they are just selling inventory.
Boyd Ostroff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 26th, 2005, 03:53 PM   #6
Wrangler
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 2,898
PD-190:
- 24p capability
- Native 16:9 chips
- .5lux rating
- Plus 6oz. lighter than the 170





....though this is only my "dream".
__________________
Glen Elliott
Cord 3 Films
Glen Elliott is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 26th, 2005, 07:50 PM   #7
New Boot
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 19
PD170 definitely could use a feature update

Oh yes. 16x9 chips and get rid of the outdated, pre-NLE, dedicated buttons. Give us user definded buttons instead.
Jack Markham is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 26th, 2005, 09:11 PM   #8
Wrangler
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Vallejo, California
Posts: 4,049
And a built-in waveform monitor and audio spectral analyzer
__________________
Mike Rehmus
Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!
Mike Rehmus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 27th, 2005, 07:48 AM   #9
New Boot
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 19
Wouldn't that make it just a bit heavy?
Jack Markham is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 27th, 2005, 09:00 AM   #10
Wrangler
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Vallejo, California
Posts: 4,049
It is an extra chip. Everything else is present for those functions.
__________________
Mike Rehmus
Hey, I can see the carrot at the end of the tunnel!
Mike Rehmus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 28th, 2005, 08:43 AM   #11
Major Player
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Cardiff, UK
Posts: 223
Whats the 24p mode like in sony's models that support it? In a way I applaud sony for sticking to 50i/60i models, and not trying to push the whole "pretend your video is film!" direction the other brands are going for, but it would be nice to have the option sometimes.

16x9 native is inexecusable mind, especially when cheaper cameras had this when the PD170 was launched.. what were they thinking? It could've easily have convinced a lot of 150 users to upgrade rather than just sit back and think "so.. what is different exactly?"
James Connors is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 28th, 2005, 12:50 PM   #12
Wrangler
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Posts: 11,787
Which models are you talking about? I don't think any of Sony's prosumer cameras offer real "24p." The Z1 has Cineframe 30, cf25 and cf24. The NTSC FX1 has cf24 and cf30.

Lots has been written about these - search the Z1 forum for "cineframe". Also see the following discussion by Adam Wilt:

http://adamwilt.com/HDV/cineframe.html
Boyd Ostroff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 28th, 2005, 02:15 PM   #13
Major Player
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Cardiff, UK
Posts: 223
Yeah sorry I meant to mention both the pseudo-24P and the (what I believe to be real?) 24p on the high end cams like the XDCAM. Obviously the XD is incomparable to a low end pro camcorder, but i'd be interested in knowing how it looks in comparison to shooting straight 50/60i on the unit.

Cheers for the link, will have a read now.
James Connors is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 28th, 2005, 11:18 PM   #14
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Brooklyn, NY, USA
Posts: 3,841
Everyone thinks of HDV (DVCPRO HD in the HVX) and SD is a divide. Note the Z1 does and the HVX200 will shoot in DV as well as HD.

My personal peeve is low light performance. For that reason the 170 will hang on a bit. Low light performance is one of the areas of improvement in the DVX 100B. When the 1/3" chip HD type cameras can handle low light nearly as well as the 170, the market may fade it to black. I do think that will happen within the next revision or two of the 1/3" HD type cameras though. Just not there yet.
Craig Seeman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 31st, 2005, 01:30 PM   #15
Tourist
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 3
It's not only low light....

I went to B&H yesterday to test a few of their cameras, which are set up around a WELL ILLUMINATED test area. I shot with the Sony Z1 in DVCAM and the Panasonic dvx100A. Based on the footage comparison, I will be ordering a DVX100B as soon as it becomes available (probably any day now). From what I saw, the DVX delivered the better picture, and it's got better audio performance as well. I need a camera SOON and I don't have a single client who's got the slightest interest in HD.
Malachi Constant is offline   Reply
Reply

DV Info Net refers all where-to-buy and where-to-rent questions exclusively to these trusted full line dealers and rental houses...

B&H Photo Video
(866) 521-7381
New York, NY USA

Scan Computers Int. Ltd.
+44 0871-472-4747
Bolton, Lancashire UK


DV Info Net also encourages you to support local businesses and buy from an authorized dealer in your neighborhood.
  You are here: DV Info Net > Sony XAVC / XDCAM / NXCAM / AVCHD / HDV / DV Camera Systems > Sony HDV and DV Camera Systems > Sony VX2100 / PD170 / PDX10 Companion

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

 



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:55 PM.


DV Info Net -- Real Names, Real People, Real Info!
1998-2024 The Digital Video Information Network