EX1 vs XH/G1 picture quality at DVinfo.net

Ariel Sasaki · November 19th, 2007, 09:16 AM

http://www.genkosha.co.jp/vs/sp/200712/

Sean Seah · November 19th, 2007, 09:40 AM

Arigato Sasaki San!! I have attached the English translated page link below.

This has comparisons bet 4 cams:
1. Sony PMW EX1
2. Sony Z1j
3. Canon XH-G1
4. Panny HVX 200

http://translate.google.com/translat...hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Eric Pascarelli · November 19th, 2007, 09:43 AM

English "translated" link:

http://translate.google.com/translat.../vs/sp/200712/

Eric Pascarelli · November 19th, 2007, 09:53 AM

Nice camera, the EX1.

Piotr Wozniacki · November 19th, 2007, 10:04 AM

The EX1 colours are slightly towards green (or G1's toward red). The G1 picture is also definitely brighter, but this - like the colour - is all tweakable. The most striking difference in EX1's favour is the latitude - just compare the blown-out mirror reflection in all the G1's images.

Otherwise - especially, resolution-wise - I am a bit disappointed; in 60i the differences (even with the HQ mode) are not knocking-out. Unless I don't know where to look; which characters exactly do they mean in the wine label? In 30p, the brick is more detailed with the EX1, so are all the characters on labels. But this was to expect, the Canon's F mode being just a nice hocus-pokus!

Paul Curtis · November 19th, 2007, 10:29 AM

i think the resolution is pretty impressive (just look at the 1080p and the wine label), although these images do seem to have a bit of edge sharpening on (when you push them you can see the black lines around high contrast areas)

What is impressive is the noise, or lack of, in the shadows. If you push the shadows up the detail still present is very impressive (the folds in the background being visible) which also means the MPEG2 is doing a great job of not throwing away shadow detail. Compare to the HVX and see how the compression macroblocks there. That should ignite a nice MPEG vs HVX compression war!

It's difficult to know about the latitude from these because who knows what has happened to the BMPs. There's certainly more there and because of the shadow detail, you can expose for highlights and pull the image up without it falling apart too much.

Steven Thomas · November 19th, 2007, 10:37 AM

All I can say is "wow!". The EX1 1080 30P looks great !
The compression artifacts from the HVX on the wine label are horrible.
Look at the transparent curtain and compare.
This is "day and Night"

IMO, It's obvious that the HVX200 has VERY noticeable edge enhancement.
If you were to turn this down, it would look EXTREMELY soft compared to the EX1. The clarity difference is amazing.

You're right about the labels. This REALLY shows you the natural look the EX1 is able to render.

It would of been nice to know all settings used.

This is making the wait even harder!

Steven Thomas · November 19th, 2007, 10:39 AM

Paul,
The HVX's blocking in the low levels was ONE of the reasons we did not go with it. This was even pointed out when the initial clips from the HVX200 were starting to appear. And this was using their MXF files.
IMO, you really need to crush the blacks in this cam.

Piotr Wozniacki · November 19th, 2007, 11:14 AM

You guys are obviously right that when compared with the HVX, the EX1 shines much more than against the G1 -especially in 60i. BTW, in all this noble company, the good old Z1 is not bad at all...

Randolph Duke · November 19th, 2007, 12:35 PM

The EX is much better in 60i- I never shoot the HVX in 60i.
but 30p- I prefer the image from the HVX.

Need to see motion.

Vince Gaffney · November 19th, 2007, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randolph Duke

Need to see motion.

Absolutely - and how that hard edged video will respond to a 35mm lens adapter.

Vince

Steven Thomas · November 19th, 2007, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vince Gaffney

Absolutely - and how that hard edged video will respond to a 35mm lens adapter.

Vince

You're right about that. From what I'm hearing is that the 35mb stuff holds real well!

Steven Thomas · November 19th, 2007, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randolph Duke

but 30p- I prefer the image from the HVX.

Which images are you comparing?
If it's the 30P images here, please explain. Please highlight the benefits shown in the HVX samples here.
Future samples may show something different.

The EX1 still images here are FAR superior in rez, noise, compression artifacts, latitude, details in black, and not to mention the color is holding REAL well.
In these samples, what we were surprised with is how well the 720P image looks

At least, this is what these are showing.
It would of been nice to know cam settings for all, but this aside, this is what we found with the HVX200 so it compares to what we've shot here.

If you have other EX1 vs HVX200 samples, please share.

Sony has really NAILED it on this one!

Stelios Christofides · November 19th, 2007, 01:58 PM

Nice comparison. Nice camera the EX1. I wish I had the money now to order on. Oh well I'll wait for the EX2.

Stelios

Steven Thomas · November 19th, 2007, 02:00 PM

Yes, it is quite the comparison. The Z1 does not look that bad. Not at the EX1 level, but holds up well.

You know the more I look at this, I believe the HVX200 would of looked better if they had turned down the sharpness.
Granted would of looked real soft, but it would of help lessen the effects of the noise and compression artifacts.

November 19th, 2007, 09:16 AM	#1
Ariel Sasaki New Boot Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Tokyo Posts: 6	EX1 vs XH/G1 picture quality http://www.genkosha.co.jp/vs/sp/200712/

November 19th, 2007, 10:04 AM	#5
Piotr Wozniacki Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 4,086	The EX1 colours are slightly towards green (or G1's toward red). The G1 picture is also definitely brighter, but this - like the colour - is all tweakable. The most striking difference in EX1's favour is the latitude - just compare the blown-out mirror reflection in all the G1's images. Otherwise - especially, resolution-wise - I am a bit disappointed; in 60i the differences (even with the HQ mode) are not knocking-out. Unless I don't know where to look; which characters exactly do they mean in the wine label? In 30p, the brick is more detailed with the EX1, so are all the characters on labels. But this was to expect, the Canon's F mode being just a nice hocus-pokus! __________________ Sony PXW-FS7 \| DaVinci Resolve Studio; Magix Vegas Pro; i7-5960X CPU; 64 GB RAM; 2x GTX 1080 8GB GPU; Decklink 4K Extreme 12G; 4x 3TB WD Black in RAID 0; 1TB M.2 NVMe cache drive

November 19th, 2007, 10:37 AM	#7
Steven Thomas Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,896	All I can say is "wow!". The EX1 1080 30P looks great ! The compression artifacts from the HVX on the wine label are horrible. Look at the transparent curtain and compare. This is "day and Night" IMO, It's obvious that the HVX200 has VERY noticeable edge enhancement. If you were to turn this down, it would look EXTREMELY soft compared to the EX1. The clarity difference is amazing. You're right about the labels. This REALLY shows you the natural look the EX1 is able to render. It would of been nice to know all settings used. This is making the wait even harder! Last edited by Steven Thomas; November 19th, 2007 at 11:46 AM.

November 19th, 2007, 11:14 AM	#9
Piotr Wozniacki Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 4,086	You guys are obviously right that when compared with the HVX, the EX1 shines much more than against the G1 -especially in 60i. BTW, in all this noble company, the good old Z1 is not bad at all... __________________ Sony PXW-FS7 \| DaVinci Resolve Studio; Magix Vegas Pro; i7-5960X CPU; 64 GB RAM; 2x GTX 1080 8GB GPU; Decklink 4K Extreme 12G; 4x 3TB WD Black in RAID 0; 1TB M.2 NVMe cache drive

November 19th, 2007, 01:58 PM	#14
Stelios Christofides Trustee Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Nicosia, CYPRUS Posts: 1,080	Nice comparison. Nice camera the EX1. I wish I had the money now to order on. Oh well I'll wait for the EX2. Stelios __________________ My Blog: http://steliosc.blogspot.com "I hope for nothing, I fear nothing, I am free" Nikos Kazantzakis

November 19th, 2007, 09:40 AM	#2
Sean Seah Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,498	Arigato Sasaki San!! I have attached the English translated page link below. This has comparisons bet 4 cams: 1. Sony PMW EX1 2. Sony Z1j 3. Canon XH-G1 4. Panny HVX 200 http://translate.google.com/translat...hl=en&ie=UTF-8

November 19th, 2007, 09:43 AM	#3
Eric Pascarelli Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 498	English "translated" link: http://translate.google.com/translat.../vs/sp/200712/

November 19th, 2007, 09:53 AM	#4
Eric Pascarelli Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 498	Nice camera, the EX1.

November 19th, 2007, 10:29 AM	#6
Paul Curtis Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: canterbury Posts: 411	i think the resolution is pretty impressive (just look at the 1080p and the wine label), although these images do seem to have a bit of edge sharpening on (when you push them you can see the black lines around high contrast areas) What is impressive is the noise, or lack of, in the shadows. If you push the shadows up the detail still present is very impressive (the folds in the background being visible) which also means the MPEG2 is doing a great job of not throwing away shadow detail. Compare to the HVX and see how the compression macroblocks there. That should ignite a nice MPEG vs HVX compression war! It's difficult to know about the latitude from these because who knows what has happened to the BMPs. There's certainly more there and because of the shadow detail, you can expose for highlights and pull the image up without it falling apart too much.

November 19th, 2007, 10:39 AM	#8
Steven Thomas Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,896	Paul, The HVX's blocking in the low levels was ONE of the reasons we did not go with it. This was even pointed out when the initial clips from the HVX200 were starting to appear. And this was using their MXF files. IMO, you really need to crush the blacks in this cam.

November 19th, 2007, 12:35 PM	#10
Randolph Duke Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: United States Posts: 48	The EX is much better in 60i- I never shoot the HVX in 60i. but 30p- I prefer the image from the HVX. Need to see motion.

November 19th, 2007, 02:00 PM	#15
Steven Thomas Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,896	Yes, it is quite the comparison. The Z1 does not look that bad. Not at the EX1 level, but holds up well. You know the more I look at this, I believe the HVX200 would of looked better if they had turned down the sharpness. Granted would of looked real soft, but it would of help lessen the effects of the noise and compression artifacts.