EX1 vs XH/G1 picture quality

Randolph Duke · November 19th, 2007, 02:06 PM

It's silly to judge cameras on frame grabs- but IMO- looking at this one frame -side by side- the 30p HVX image that looks more pleasing to my eye.
It also looked more pleasing to my co-worker.
We both agree the Sony looks better in 60i and 720p.

I own a HVX. I have an EX on order. I plan to use both- each for different types of jobs.

Steven Thomas · November 19th, 2007, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Randolph Duke

the 30p HVX image that looks more pleasing to my eye.

WOW, please share with us what elements were more pleasing????

I agree about moving images.

David Parks · November 19th, 2007, 02:14 PM

A bitmap still comparison? Between video cameras? Oh well.

The EX1 does look better, but what did we expect comparing 1/2 inch latest generation CMOS with 3 year old 1/3 inch CCD technology. I certainly hope that it would look better. That's like saying my Intel dual core processor computer runs faster than my Intel Pentium 4 computer. You think? Wow I never would have imagined.

But, my crazy old fart cynicism aside, I really want to see the EX1 live and in person. Not the Ashley Simpson on SNL version. I'll take U2 on SNL all of the time.

Cheers.

Steven Thomas · November 19th, 2007, 02:29 PM

Created this bitmap from the bitmap 1080 30P samples of just the wine bottle alone and some of the curtains in the background. The HVX200 is on the left, the EX1 is on the right.

Zsolt Gordos · November 19th, 2007, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Steven Thomas

Created this bitmap from the bitmap 1080 30P samples of just the wine bottle alone and some of the curtains in the background. The HVX200 is on the left, the EX1 is on the right.

Yeah, I experienced something similar when I visited my ophtalmologist and she gave me the right glass...:)

Before and after....

Mark Pappakostas · November 19th, 2007, 03:17 PM

Hi,

Can some with the skills - color correct the 30p 1080 EX1 and match the color output of the 30p 1080 HVX image?

Thanks,

Mark

Brad Bodily · November 19th, 2007, 03:41 PM

The EX1 pic looks sooo much better than the HVX shot. This might be silly to ask, but I will, just in case: Are you viewing the pictures full rez? For instance, if I resize my browser window the pictures can get auto-scaled to fit and if I shrink them to about 40% I can get the HVX pic to look pretty close, just with less latitude, but that lends to a higher contrast look that could be a matter of taste. But at full rez, there's no contest.

Paul Joy · November 19th, 2007, 05:49 PM

When looking at the 1080/60i shots I actually preferred the look of the G1, but at the 1080/30p the EX1 shot simply outshines the rest.

It would have been nice to have seen a 720/30p shot in comparison.

Anyone fancy a can of fuzzy navel!

Paul.

Steven Thomas · November 19th, 2007, 05:53 PM

I thought the G1 held up fairy well myself. The EX1 HQ images are really good.

Stephen van Vuuren · November 19th, 2007, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad Bodily

But at full rez, there's no contest.

I'll say. The EX1 looks more like a DSLR image especially dynamic range where the HVX looks like a $100 digicam uprezzed and sharpened to ugliness. I'm still hacking away with my DVX as I bailed on buying one of the first HVXs.

I shoot some with a friends HV20 when I need HD for clients. But the EX1 keeps interesting me (although, if an HV30 with full manual control was released, it would be very tempting as the HV20 image is better than G1/Z1 in both resolution and dynamic range.

But the EX1 looks like the best HD image I've seen (based on this and other early shots) for any sub $10k cam. Maybe even sub $20 (I don't count Red or SI there since by the time you actually have a shooting system, you are well over $20k.)

Steven Thomas · November 19th, 2007, 06:20 PM

True,
A coworker should be getting his RED in December (total investment including needed extras closing in on $30K). He is also very interested in the EX1. He thought the comparison today showing still frames was something he would of expected while comparing to a camera such as RED.
I think you may find that a few who were "on the fence" with this purchase may be climbing over it soon.

I know what a lot of us are thinking, what about the moving shots. Well, if it holds up this image as well as I'm hearing the 35mb stuff will, it's going be excellent.

Peter Moretti · November 19th, 2007, 07:00 PM

I wonder if it will have less of a CA problem than many of the three chip cams have? (The HVX actually handels chromatic abberation quite well.)

Peter Moretti · November 19th, 2007, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Piotr Wozniacki

The EX1 colours are slightly towards green (or G1's toward red). The G1 picture is also definitely brighter, but this - like the colour - is all tweakable. The most striking difference in EX1's favour is the latitude - just compare the blown-out mirror reflection in all the G1's images...

Piotr,

I think the lattitude benefit may be less than the shots seem to show, b/c, like you pointed out, the EX1 had a significantly darker exposure than the G1 did.

Steven Thomas · November 19th, 2007, 07:18 PM

According to one early review from Nigel Cooper it performed very well in the CA depatment.
http://www.dvuser.co.uk/content.php?CID=171

Randolph Duke · November 19th, 2007, 07:31 PM

OK
Got home and looked at the frames again - this time- full rez- on a JVC HD studio monitor.
Sony Ex- 1080 30p is much better.
Now I'm digging it!

November 19th, 2007, 02:14 PM	#18
David Parks Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Houston Posts: 789	A bitmap still comparison? Between video cameras? Oh well. The EX1 does look better, but what did we expect comparing 1/2 inch latest generation CMOS with 3 year old 1/3 inch CCD technology. I certainly hope that it would look better. That's like saying my Intel dual core processor computer runs faster than my Intel Pentium 4 computer. You think? Wow I never would have imagined. But, my crazy old fart cynicism aside, I really want to see the EX1 live and in person. Not the Ashley Simpson on SNL version. I'll take U2 on SNL all of the time. Cheers. __________________ David Parks: DP/Editor: Jacobs Aerospace at NASA Johnson Space Center https://www.youtube.com/user/JacobsESCG

November 19th, 2007, 02:29 PM	#19
Steven Thomas Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,896	Created this bitmap from the bitmap 1080 30P samples of just the wine bottle alone and some of the curtains in the background. The HVX200 is on the left, the EX1 is on the right. Attached Thumbnails

November 19th, 2007, 03:17 PM	#21
Mark Pappakostas Tourist Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2	Will it possible to match the color output of the HVX with EX1 Hi, Can some with the skills - color correct the 30p 1080 EX1 and match the color output of the 30p 1080 HVX image? Thanks, Mark

November 19th, 2007, 05:49 PM	#23
Paul Joy Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Norfolk, UK Posts: 627	When looking at the 1080/60i shots I actually preferred the look of the G1, but at the 1080/30p the EX1 shot simply outshines the rest. It would have been nice to have seen a 720/30p shot in comparison. Anyone fancy a can of fuzzy navel! Paul. __________________ Blog: www.pauljoy.com Company: www.videotrader.co.uk

November 19th, 2007, 05:53 PM	#24
Steven Thomas Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,896	I thought the G1 held up fairy well myself. The EX1 HQ images are really good. Last edited by Steven Thomas; November 19th, 2007 at 07:14 PM.

November 19th, 2007, 02:06 PM	#16
Randolph Duke Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: United States Posts: 48	It's silly to judge cameras on frame grabs- but IMO- looking at this one frame -side by side- the 30p HVX image that looks more pleasing to my eye. It also looked more pleasing to my co-worker. We both agree the Sony looks better in 60i and 720p. I own a HVX. I have an EX on order. I plan to use both- each for different types of jobs.

November 19th, 2007, 03:41 PM	#22
Brad Bodily New Boot Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 21	The EX1 pic looks sooo much better than the HVX shot. This might be silly to ask, but I will, just in case: Are you viewing the pictures full rez? For instance, if I resize my browser window the pictures can get auto-scaled to fit and if I shrink them to about 40% I can get the HVX pic to look pretty close, just with less latitude, but that lends to a higher contrast look that could be a matter of taste. But at full rez, there's no contest.

November 19th, 2007, 06:20 PM	#26
Steven Thomas Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,896	True, A coworker should be getting his RED in December (total investment including needed extras closing in on $30K). He is also very interested in the EX1. He thought the comparison today showing still frames was something he would of expected while comparing to a camera such as RED. I think you may find that a few who were "on the fence" with this purchase may be climbing over it soon. I know what a lot of us are thinking, what about the moving shots. Well, if it holds up this image as well as I'm hearing the 35mb stuff will, it's going be excellent.

November 19th, 2007, 07:00 PM	#27
Peter Moretti Trustee Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sherman Oaks, CA Posts: 1,259	I wonder if it will have less of a CA problem than many of the three chip cams have? (The HVX actually handels chromatic abberation quite well.)

November 19th, 2007, 07:18 PM	#29
Steven Thomas Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,896	According to one early review from Nigel Cooper it performed very well in the CA depatment. http://www.dvuser.co.uk/content.php?CID=171

November 19th, 2007, 07:31 PM	#30
Randolph Duke Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: United States Posts: 48	OK Got home and looked at the frames again - this time- full rez- on a JVC HD studio monitor. Sony Ex- 1080 30p is much better. Now I'm digging it!