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Alessandro Zumstein February 29th, 2008 04:01 PM

Mattebox and filters question.
 
Hello, i need a mattebox and basic filters for my EX1. I think about a mattebox from Chrosziel and filters from Schneider Optics.
My questions are:
- Have anyone tesed the EX1 with a Chrosziel mattebox, are there vignetting roblems?

- It's better to use 4x5.65 filter or can i use 4x4 filter, because i hearded when use 4x4 filter, the "wide angle effect" is limited.

Very interessant filter kit from Schneider optics, it can be useful

http://www.schneideroptics.com/Ecomm....aspx?CID=1431

Steve Shovlar February 29th, 2008 04:49 PM

4x4s are fine. No problems with my EX1.

Kenn Christenson February 29th, 2008 04:51 PM

Chrosziel makes a matte box specifically for the EX1. You might want to call a local dealer and see if they can't give you some information.

http://www.abelcine.com/store/produc...ductid=1000449

Steve Shovlar February 29th, 2008 04:53 PM

My Vocas MB-350 works with the EX1 but I have to load the filters in from the bottom.

Mike Testin April 22nd, 2008 04:31 PM

Redrock mattebox
 
Was anybody able to confirm without a doubt that the Redrock mattebox will work well with the EX1? Are there any limitations from the camera mic.

Dale Stoltzfus April 22nd, 2008 06:46 PM

It should work - see this post: http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?p=171418 . He says that there will be an adapter to allow it to work better with video cameras such as the HVX 200 or EX1. However, looking at FreshDV's video, I don't think that the adapter is even necessary. It seems to just butt up against the front of the lens.

Steve Cahill April 23rd, 2008 06:04 AM

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The matte box is able to swing away from the camera, which makes a lens change very handy, if using a adapter and it does work with the EX1, also the filters get inserted from the side instead of the top. For the price it is a good value.

The Arri matte box was well designed, lighter in weight but not released as a product as of yet, pictured here.

Mika Tertsunen April 23rd, 2008 01:37 PM

I'm a bit suspicious about these sideways inserting filters. In a mattebox I find it being essential that you can adjust at least one of the filters vertically, not quite sure how it works with this construction.

Benjamin Eckstein April 23rd, 2008 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mika Tertsunen (Post 866227)
I'm a bit suspicious about these sideways inserting filters. In a mattebox I find it being essential that you can adjust at least one of the filters vertically, not quite sure how it works with this construction.

I agree although I think the EX-1 design will only allow filters to be inserted sideways due to the end of lens and the placement of the LCD/mic.

That Arri looks nice, although I would guess it'll be like a third the price of the cam, as many Arri products are.

B

Alessandro Zumstein April 23rd, 2008 02:24 PM

Nice mattebox
 
It looks like the chrosziel 450 mattebox. Do it fits 4x5.565 filters?

Dean Harrington April 23rd, 2008 07:55 PM

seriously nice gear ...
 
This definitely is well constructed. Worth the price!

Eric Pascarelli April 23rd, 2008 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benjamin Eckstein (Post 866246)

That Arri looks nice, although I would guess it'll be like a third the price of the cam, as many Arri products are.

B

I think it's more like 2/3 the price of the camera - but it is very, very nice. Makes all the others seem flimsy.

Dean Harrington May 3rd, 2008 05:09 PM

RedRock mattebox ...
 
I'm beginning to put my HD camera system together and today bought the RedRock mattebox to go on an EX3 that I will buy in July. Next will be a rail system to support the whole system which will use the Letus Ultimate as it's base. Any suggestions on rails?
I hung around with Phillip Bloom in Tokyo recently and had a good look at the Ultimate ~ mighty good adaptor. I will probably have to put out about $20,000 to get this camera system up to par!

Dante Waters May 15th, 2008 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean Harrington (Post 871670)
I'm beginning to put my HD camera system together and today bought the RedRock mattebox to go on an EX3 that I will buy in July. Next will be a rail system to support the whole system which will use the Letus Ultimate as it's base. Any suggestions on rails?
I hung around with Phillip Bloom in Tokyo recently and had a good look at the Ultimate ~ mighty good adaptor. I will probably have to put out about $20,000 to get this camera system up to par!

I thought these matte boxes came with the rails... I guess I have to check the prices now of those.

Dean Harrington May 15th, 2008 04:45 PM

No rails ...
 
Bundles are basic without flags, bundle with flags and bundle for Red.

Craig Hollenback May 17th, 2008 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean Harrington (Post 871670)
I'm beginning to put my HD camera system together and today bought the RedRock mattebox to go on an EX3 that I will buy in July. Next will be a rail system to support the whole system which will use the Letus Ultimate as it's base. Any suggestions on rails?
I hung around with Phillip Bloom in Tokyo recently and had a good look at the Ultimate ~ mighty good adaptor. I will probably have to put out about $20,000 to get this camera system up to par!

Dean, I am about to order the mattebox bundled with flags from them for my EX1...is a rail system required or does it clmp onto the lens?
Thanks, Craig

Dean Harrington May 17th, 2008 07:20 AM

You need ...
 
a rail system for this if you want to use filters and the swing away arm. One of the features that is so cool on the Red Rock is the swing away arm allows you to change lens very easily. You don't see this type of quality detail at this price point.

Sean Donnelly May 17th, 2008 07:44 AM

Anyone know what the actual ship time is on a redrock matte box?

-Sean

Dean Harrington May 17th, 2008 08:10 AM

shipment timing ...
 
60 days from purchase, they say. I've still got 30 days or so to go.

Craig Hollenback May 17th, 2008 08:20 AM

additional question Dean
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean Harrington (Post 879047)
a rail system for this if you want to use filters and the swing away arm. One of the features that is so cool on the Red Rock is the swing away arm allows you to change lens very easily. You don't see this type of quality detail at this price point.

Dean, I plan to use the mattebox along with the Sony.8xWA adapter with the built in sunshade removed. Do you feel that the mattebox will attach onto the outer diameter of the WA adapter and hold? Why is it necessary to have the rail system to use filters? Is it due to weight? What is the manner in which the mattebox is attached to the lens without the rail system?
Thanks, Craig

Dean Harrington May 17th, 2008 08:49 AM

Good question ...
 
Basically, a donut, foam with holes in which to fit lens, is the connect to the camera. You need the rails to hold the mattebox which is a swing out type. It may be attachable without the filter trays but I'm not sure about that. You might try the carbon fiber rails from eBay made in India. I have a set and while not the best, they work and will run you about $130.00.

Craig Hollenback May 17th, 2008 09:08 AM

Thanks Dean
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean Harrington (Post 879077)
Basically, a donut, foam with holes in which to fit lens, is the connect to the camera. You need the rails to hold the mattebox which is a swing out type. It may be attachable without the filter trays but I'm not sure about that. You might try the carbon fiber rails from eBay made in India. I have a set and while not the best, they work and will run you about $130.00.

I am understanding it better now. Does the matte box have the actual rod attachment bracket built in to it and that slips onto the rods? So if I am correct to understand, I would buy the mattebox and then just get the rod set and camera plate? Also are you happy with the purchase? It appears to be made very well.
Thanks again, Craig

Dean Harrington May 17th, 2008 03:24 PM

mattebox ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig Hollenback (Post 879084)
I am understanding it better now. Does the matte box have the actual rod attachment bracket built in to it and that slips onto the rods? So if I am correct to understand, I would buy the mattebox and then just get the rod set and camera plate? Also are you happy with the purchase? It appears to be made very well.
Thanks again, Craig

I'll let you know how I feel when it arrives. Yes, the mattebox has an attachment for the rails. Another matte box you might look into is by hyson and you can find it here. It's a bit lighter and can attach to the cam (sans filters) as you can see here:http://www.hysonfilms.com/gallery.html

Sebastien Thomas June 26th, 2008 05:35 AM

follow focus, rails and mattebox for EX1
 
I know there already was some threads about that here, but I really need to have some, and please, cheap !

I came accros this ebay item : http://cgi.ebay.fr/CINE-follow-focus...dZp1638Q2em122

It look like the old minifocus. How do you think this can behave on a EX1 ?
Is it worth it ?

Then, what cheap mattebox plug in the rails ?
Note that, for now, I do not need DoF adapter.

Thanks.

Andrew Hollister June 26th, 2008 09:15 AM

I am no maths man, but GBP to (shrinking) USD, it looks like you could go the Red Rock Micro way and get brand new for not much more than that ebay listing.

RRM also has nice looking mattebox for not that much scrilla. DVi links for this one galore.

Sebastien Thomas June 26th, 2008 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Hollister (Post 899081)
I am no maths man, but GBP to (shrinking) USD, it looks like you could go the Red Rock Micro way and get brand new for not much more than that ebay listing.

RRM also has nice looking mattebox for not that much scrilla. DVi links for this one galore.

The ebay kit is around 300€ or 470$. This is way cheaper than the redrock kit, which is around 700/800$ ...

Paul Cronin July 24th, 2008 12:21 PM

Mattebox
 
Has anyone purchased or tried the Indifocus mattebox?

Paul Cronin July 25th, 2008 03:22 PM

Well I guess I will find out I just ordered their indiMATTEboxpro with side flags. The side flags are not on the site but if you call Tim he will add it to the order. Also I ordered their follow focus built for the EX1.

Gerald Loidl July 26th, 2008 02:13 AM

Let us know what you think about it once you received it.
I´m interested in it too or the one from Redrock.

regards,
Gerald

Paul Cronin July 26th, 2008 01:16 PM

Gerald I will let you know but it will be a few weeks since I leave for a job out of town this week. I was also interested in Redrock but their setup for the EX1 is still down the pike.

Benjamin Eckstein July 26th, 2008 07:40 PM

The Indifocus mattebox, from the pic, looks exactly like the Cinevate mattebox. Can anyone confirm if they are the same?
I have the Cinevate one. It is fine, but I find the filter trays to be flimsy and do not seem secure when loaded. I think I will upgrade to the red rock.

Dean Harrington July 26th, 2008 10:51 PM

RedRock ...
 
It's a good choice!

Bruce Rawlings July 27th, 2008 08:10 AM

I use the FM600 mattebox from www.videogear.co.uk not expensive but does the job well.

Ryan Avery July 29th, 2008 08:08 AM

While their isn't anything wrong with other premium brands. Check out the MB-250 from Vocas marketed under the Century name;

http://www.schneideroptics.com/ecomm...=1390&IID=6415

Also as mentioned before. This is the same glass as our legendary Schneider brand filters but only in 4x4 and only these types in the kit. Water-white optical filters for a very low price. Check out the Instructional DVD links on this page;

http://www.schneideroptics.com/Ecomm....aspx?CID=1431

Ryan Avery
Schneider Optics


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